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[Michael Jr.]

Maybe...... and I'm thinking out loud, we go with an RPM rule rather than a named motor? As much "tinkering" as goes on with motors anyway, it's not as if naming one guarantees they match.

[Noose]

That's tough.  At what voltage and how will it be measured to make sure it's within a given range? I have seen variances on motors as much as 2,000 RPM.  Now, the HRs typically are all around 23,500 to 23,900 @ 6V after a short break-in

[Michael Jr.]

Noose, on 08 Oct 2015 - 1:55 PM, said:

That's tough.  At what voltage and how will it be measured to make sure it's within a given range? I have seen variances on motors as much as 2,000 RPM.  Now, the HRs typically are all around 23,500 to 23,900 @ 6V after a short break-in

I know we have some challenges there. Im just looking for a way to allow some latitude for the racer. It's supposed to be about the racers after all.
Maybe we still lack enough depth in the field of available motors to pull it off.
If 16D is essentially off the table then what are we left with? Hawks and Falcons mostly. So which ones can race with each other? None?
And I just realized I'm dipping into the Florida series thread again. I apologize. I just get excited and start typing sometimes.

[tonyp]

Rpm doesn't work. You can test and have 6 motors that free rpm test the same. Put them in a car with same gearing and run them in a chassis Dyno or on the track under load and they won't run the same. The best choice is the retro hawk as it is already the most popular motor in slot cars right now.

[Sean Mikuen]

DOCinCocoa, on 08 Oct 2015 - 02:44 AM, said:

Sean, I can do that for you. No problem.

 

BTW: Back in my proposal in post #90, car class #2 and #3 use the same motor and chassis combination. So, my proposal meets your desire to have 2 car classes with the same motor. Just change the body from 4" NASCAR to an LMP body, and you can race again. Very simple and cost effective.

Thanks Doc! I am gonna try to do whatever MYS turns into next year. Like everybody is saying, state races start from local racing. If i didnt start local racing, i would have never known about MYS or GRRR

 

tonyp, on 08 Oct 2015 - 2:08 PM, said:

Rpm doesn't work. You can test and have 6 motors that free rpm test the same. Put them in a car with same gearing and run them in a chassis Dyno or on the track under load and they won't run the same. The best choice is the retro hawk as it is already the most popular motor in slot cars right now.

 perhaps its time for trinity to start making brushless motors for slot cars!     and maybe an esc to go with it. That would be pretty cool, but it would also be quite expensive. ill test the first prototype ;P

[Jay Guard]

This is slightly off topic but due to unavoidable circumstances I will not be able to make the race this Saturday.  I am disappointed as I was really looking forward to racing with Tony P and the rest of the Florida racers.

 

As for the relevant discussion concerning the My Series this discussion is going great and I feel it will result in something great for slot car racing in Florida and maybe even the entire Southeast.

 

I should be back in a week and I'll get back on line as soon as possible.

 

Thanks for your understanding!

 

Jay G.

[brnursebmt]

This has been the best discussion I have EVER seen on Slotblog.  No name calling or anything!  Nobody has threatened to sell off their stuff and quit because they didn't get their way even!

 

As Jay said, this could be positive for the whole southeast, not just Florida!

 

This is the way adults should conduct themselves.

[Wizard Of Iz]

Most of us have raced together for a long time.

 

Toy cars aren't worth losing friends over.

[Mike Henry]

I'll second that I'll quit racing slots all together before I lose one friend over it and I'm glad to say I've made many in our humble sport in my short career

[Ralph Thorne]

So, what happened at the meeting?

 

Did the MySeries officials come to any conclusions for 2016?

[Michael Jr.]

I'm thinking, from a South Eastern perspective, there doesn't have to be an either/or approach. There can be a seasonal plan for racing. A summer Race series featuring some of the builder classes. And a fall and winter series featuring the easier to build classes.
I would arrange it that way because summer is when the die hard guys keep racing. Fall and summer is a time new and seasonal racers appear. If we do not seasonally then yes, there could be an expansion of OSS and My Series across territorial lines.

[Wizard Of Iz]

Ralph Thorne, on 12 Oct 2015 - 2:26 PM, said:

So, what happened at the meeting?
 
Did the MySeries officials come to any conclusions for 2016?

 
Lots of good input from the racers for the officials - Greg, Bill, Marcus, and Ed - to review.

[CoastalAngler1]

When will Florida 1/24 Scale Racing 2016 be announced?

[Wizard Of Iz]

The Racer-Owners meeting was well-attended and lots of ideas were discussed. No yelling or screaming. Just good honest discussion with everyone wanting to improve the Series - even if it meant putting personal preferences aside. I think we talked about every idea you've read in this thread and then some. The Directors still need to finalize the proposals, but racers and directors seemed to be in agreement on most topics by the end of the day.  
 
Really just a few items to clean up so I think they should be able to announce fairly soon. Hopefully before or at the next Indy Car/Enduro GTP race at Greg's on November 14. IF they'll wrap up their decisions quickly, then the guidelines should get handed out that day. Hopefully before.
 
I'm a little reluctant to say too much until things finalize just because it's not really my place since I'm not a track owner. I just volunteered to do a little typing. I'd hate to say one thing and get surprised later.

[CoastalAngler1]

Knowing the new Mossetti Chassis is coming, I hope they take this into consideration.  

Being forced to run a one manufacturer car is monopolistic.  If so, should not be able to change anything IMO.

Bodies?  Tires?

[DOCinCanton]

Having to run just one chassis manufacturer is a very good thing for a racing series.

[tonyp]

And one that all raceways sell and all distributors carry.

[Ralph Thorne]

DOCinCocoa, on 16 Oct 2015 - 1:36 PM, said:

Having to run just one chassis manufacturer is a very good thing for a racing series.

 

 

And running just one motor is different?

[DOCinCanton]

Excellent point, Tony.  Also, its not like there is only one JK flexi chassis. We have a choice of the C11, C21, X24, and X25. Most of these coming in both 0.032" and 0.025" gauge. Also, the side pans come in steel or aluminum. Personally, I have won MySeries races with the C11, C21 and X25.

[DOCinCanton]

Ralph, read my post #194. One manufacturer but many choices within that manufacturer. Even with JK, there are several choices of motors. All good choices.

[CoastalAngler1]

Rules should say stamped steel chassis, alum pans ok.  If the JK Indy is in - as rtr, then is the GT-1/LMP also a jk only class?  

 

Bodies?  Tires?  Fronts?  Bumpers?  Motors?  Cars?

 

Interested to see the rules...have heard but was not able to attend meeting.

 

Jerry does not sponsor anyone, I ain't seen JK prizes given in Florida in 2015...what is the fascination with JK???

[Michael Rigsby]

CoastalAngler1, on 16 Oct 2015 - 12:21 PM, said:

Knowing the new Mossetti Chassis is coming, I hope they take this into consideration.  
Being forced to run a one manufacturer car is monopolistic.  If so, should not be able to change anything IMO.
Bodies?  Tires?

Back ages ago it seems there was a previous version of a Mossetti chassis that was semi popular.Never really caught on because it was hard to get it to handle and it bent to easily. The Cheetah 11 seemed to prevail out of all that and is still the dominant chassis because it is so easy to work with.

[Michael Rigsby]

CoastalAngler1, on 16 Oct 2015 - 3:49 PM, said:

Rules should say stamped steel chassis, alum pans ok.  If the JK Indy is in - as rtr, then is the GT-1/LMP also a jk only class?  
 
Bodies?  Tires?  Fronts?  Bumpers?  Motors?  Cars?
 
Interested to see the rules...have heard but was not able to attend meeting.
 
Jerry does not sponsor anyone, I ain't seen JK prizes given in Florida in 2015...what is the fascination with JK???

Jerry has done more to help the hobby in the last 8 years than anyone else I know. He filled several gaps in the industry when others faltered and dropped out.

Charlie, I know you may have had disagreements with the guy since getting into slots a year or so ago, but those of us who raced from the mid 2000's on know the contributions Jerry made. No one said his stuff is perfect of for everyone for that matter, but he has reliably supplied the market when others couldn't or dropped away.

That said, I've been in agreement with most everyone in stating that the chassis rule should be any stamped chassis currently available, and thebody rule should allow any commercially available body.

[CoastalAngler1]

I'm not ditzing MYS - hopefully there will be some mission statement and goals in the next set of rules.

 

Would be nice to get some jk chassis from 4-5 years ago when the metal was better quality

- but hey they're commercially available.

 

Word is JK is going to a new owner in 2016.  Ever heard of diversification?

[DOCinCanton]

Charlie, you will be allowed to run the Champion/Parma chassis if you wish, or any other readily available steel stamped chassis.

 

In a few weeks, the 2016 MySeries rules will be published.