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#1976 kvanpelt

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:00 PM

I would not say BB fronts add speed but they do add longevity vs. the regular plastic fronts that tend to wear out very fast even with oiling.  I have not tested the JK ones ringwith the brass sleeves in them to see if they last longer.

 

The down side to some BB fronts is when you want remove them.  Unless you are painstakingly careful you can kiss at least one of the bearings good bye as the solder will flow into it.

And all along I thought it was just me who was a putz soldering up all those bearings. :dash2:


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#1977 Greg VanPeenen

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:19 PM

It just occurred to me that using square keeps them from pivoting/sagging since they are independent.

 

Whoever came up with that idea, kudos to them.

Thanks Mike. I thought it was a good idea along with the 2mm pan supports. 


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#1978 Tim Neja

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 06:37 PM

WOw--and here I thought this thread was about "scratchbuilding"!!  :)


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#1979 John Gorski

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 08:16 PM

From Santa's Work Shop Grand Prix Multi rail for the Holidays..Elf certified! :wizard:

 

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#1980 Greg VanPeenen

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:05 PM

That's a lot of wire John!!


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:30 PM

How about the other side John?

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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:43 PM

From Santa's Work Shop Grand Prix Multi rail for the Holidays..Elf certified! :wizard:

 

John, should have made it one big Z rail !!!! :laugh2:


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Posted 20 December 2013 - 10:52 PM

How about the other side John?

Assuming there isn't a 2nd motor screwed to that front bracket,I bet there is at least some sort of floating body mount system on that "top bunk".

Cool stuff.

I think it's great how John thinks way outside the box.

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#1984 Tim Neja

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 12:42 AM

How about a "Top pic" John---looks interesting!!! :)


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#1985 Mark Johnson

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 04:24 AM

Ah son of slinky .



#1986 MSwiss

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:22 AM

I would of preferred finishing before 6 AM before the the race at 9:30, but I wanted to see what a Z-Rail would run like with something other than torsion movement.
 
I liked how the swept back front uprights worked out and the stiffness of the gusseted bracket.

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#1987 John Gorski

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 08:19 AM

Thanks ...still working on the top. .032 Rails. Has tiny floppy hinges on it needs to be stiffened a little

will post when completed.


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Posted 21 December 2013 - 07:52 PM

Mike, great job with adjustment screws.

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Posted 21 December 2013 - 11:22 PM

Mike, Guessing :unknw:

 

'Drop center' and the set screws set the travel?

 

What are the two short pieces of tubing on the sides of the motor bracket used for?


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 05:54 PM

Mike, great job with adjustment screws.


Thanks.
 
I lucked out and had one of my flat-bladed, notched screwdrivers that I use to hold down wire while soldering, be a snug fit inside the threaded tubing.
 
With the "V" notch in the tip, pressing on top of the stop wire, they were a snap to solder on.
 

Mike, Guessing :unknw:
 
'Drop center' and the set screws set the travel?
 
What are the two short pieces of tubing on the sides of the motor bracket used for?


Yes, they are mostly to limit/reduce the up travel, but they are handy to screw down the pans solid while pinning the body.
 
The tubing on the sides of the bracket are upstops for the Z-rails.
 
The typical Z-rail uses a 1" wide bracket, which the upstops run thru holes drilled or cut into the corners.
 
The "Mikea" chassis has a 3/4" bracket to increase it's versatility, so I had to come up with a slightly different solution.
 
They are the same precut .100" long, 1/8" dia. pcs., I bought from K & S to use as axle spacers, to thread for the shown adjustable pan upstops, etc.
 
They are real versatile and come in quite handy.
 
I sell them (probably for less than I should).

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:27 PM

Thanks Mike, How does it run?


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Posted 22 December 2013 - 11:43 PM

Real good.

 

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 12:22 AM

I built a new F1 chassis last week, and raced it Saturday. The car was amazing to drive, and worked as well as any I have tried. I was quite pleased! I also had some of the A Main types give it a go and they said, WOW! Very easy build. I used a double bronze main rail (ala Dennis Samson) and the now popular tuning fork center out of .062 music wire. I have never had an F1 run like this and at 102 grams!! Very easy to drive and very forgiving. It is a 4 1/8 WB and 1" guide lead. Just a shaker. A little longer than I usually build them, but wanted to give it a try.
 
My driving is not as hard as the good drivers and at first had the tuning fork unsoldered. But with harder driving, it would rattle coming off the turns. I then soldered the tuning fork together at the split and the rattle went away.

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

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Posted 23 December 2013 - 05:14 PM

….Hello everyone,I hope your all well.Iv built 6 chassis for the upcoming Checkpoint Cup race at BPR.The chassis in the photos is just one of six,,there all the same.There 40grams as you see in the photos,so they will build a 88-90 gram ready to race Can-Am SCRRA car.

 

Please have a look the "Racer Swap Shop" for more info.

 

Thank you Don Campbell  DCR


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#1996 A. J. Hoyt

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:29 AM

This is my first time posting in this thread. This is the car that won the latest RMRRA race, run on a whim before being tried in a real race first.There are two more images in the RMRRA thread.

 

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The "main rail" is a single piece of .055 steel starting in the square tube in front, avoiding all of the 90 degree shenanigans of the "tuning fork" (this mechanical engineer can't figure out what that could possibly do) in favor of a "direct" diagonal around the sides of the rear motor bracket, behind the crown gear and back to the front. The main rail is tied together with a small .015 brass gusset near the pivots in front.

 

The two "mid pans" are, in the F1 cars, the side pans. They are wider here (at the front) and are attached to the front pan (.031 with formed front axle uprights, guide tongue) with a single piece of fore-aft .039 steel wire (for strength and spring) to the outsides and a single piece of fore-aft .047  brass rod (for strong brass-to-brass solder joint and damping) to the inside, alongside the guide tongue. My next version will make the front pan and the side pans all from one piece of .031 brass sheet. So far, I like the modularity of this design, all made from 1" wide strips of K&S .031.

 

The bat pans are hinged in the back with a piece of .031 wire acting as the down stop. In front, the .031 steel wire snakes through a very tight hole in the front axle upright and through another tight hole in the bent-up tab at the front of the bat pan through a series of 90 degree bends soldered only at the ends inboard of the thru holes. (I am not averse to 90 degree bends, they just have to do something.) These allow a flexing "plumber" motion from in front of the front axle and a flexing bat pan swing supported by the inboard hinge at the rear of the pan, which allows some lateral movement up to the 3.125 maximum width allowed.

 

The side pans have a similar bent-up tab with a small hole to pass a piece of .031 wire as the fore-aft locators inside square tube so there is some lateral and up/down freedom but no fore-aft as a cap is soldered on the end. There is a slight pre-load holding the outside of bat pan down.

 

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The .015 side fences have 2mm drilled holes to allow the body pins to float just a little bit. I have been doing this for about 3 years now.

 

There is a lot of hinge freedom in the aft hinges (alongside the motor bracket). The twist articulation between the front and rear axles is "severe", about 10 degrees or more before any resistance is felt; it will ALWAYS pass the 4 tires in contact tech test! Others likened it to a "rock crawler competition" vehicle suspension. Others have said that it looks like it should really scream on a flat track. I built if for our local King track and it went a full quarter second faster than my previous best Can Am car with no development yet. 

 

I used a Chicagoland steel guide tongue, JK firm fronts in "floating" Slick 7 bushings (the axle rotates, not the tires on the axle, but one tire is not set-screwed down and is free to "differential rotate" on the axle - semi-independent fronts), rear ball bearings, Red Fox guide and a JK Retro Hawk motor.

 

Nelson Swanberg called me while I was posting and talked me into posting a CAD image of the car, essential to facilitate packaging and getting the fabrication done quickly.

 

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Not revolutionary but evolutionary - an F1 articulation with bat pans added.

 

Keep it in the slot,

 

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:49 AM

AJ-

 

Now that is different!

 

How much does it weigh?

 

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#1998 Bryan Warmack

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:51 AM

   AJ,

      I'll bet a certain Howard Ursaner has his eyes on THAT!!  :laugh2:



#1999 MSwiss

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 12:56 AM

A.J.,

Is the .055" "main" rail soldered into those squares or do they pivot?


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 01:07 AM

Beautiful work and unique design but I dont believe it is IRRA legal since it does not appear to have any main rails.


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