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#51 Howie Ursaner

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Posted 10 July 2017 - 02:48 PM

Any reports yet? Has anyone broke a pinned one?


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 02:56 PM

Not that I have heard, but it's early in the game.

 

I think only a few racers got them by the weekend.


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 06:19 PM

Any reports yet? Has anyone broke a pinned one?

 

Not entirely true. I did break one with a hammer.

 

If anyone wants to see it survive eight hammer hits, with the eighth hit pretty darn hard, until it finally broke on the ninth hit, go to my ad in "Slot Car Classifides-USA" on Facebook.


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Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:38 PM

I really hope you didn't break one of the fast ones in the lot. Are you going to heal it with a pin and offer it as a healed cripple? Boiled - whacked - pinned - threaded - rehabilitated for use and discounted at $6 ready-to-race!


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 09:01 AM

 Boiled - whacked - pinned - threaded - rehabilitated for use and discounted at $6 ready-to-race!

 

That sounds like a Waffle House menu item...


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Posted 11 July 2017 - 09:14 AM

"Got four guides and three out of four the car ran faster."
 
So, can you return the slow guide? Is there an exchange program where slow guides can go to be fixed? Maybe these are like sealed motors where there are fast ones and slow ones... you just don't know till you try out the guide. This adds a whole new layer of testing complexity! Now I have to go back and try all my guides on the same car to find the fastest one. Never can test too much.


I can say the same about chassis, bodies, etc. ☺


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 06:39 PM

Received my order of guides from Mike. Don't see how he makes any money as the workmanship is excellent. They'll get a good workout at the SWC at BPR.


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Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:59 AM

I've gotten a lot of orders for these, and I'm still plugging away at filling them.

The usual quietier summer business at the raceway was "interrupted" last week with 5 parties in 5 days, including a 75 kid whopper of one.

But I got all of them out for racers participating in big events this weekend, so it will be interesting to see how they fare.

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Posted 21 July 2017 - 05:13 AM

Mike our local track owner has yet to figure out how to get kids groups into his raceway, can ya give me some tips on how to reach out to these groups?


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Posted 22 July 2017 - 01:41 PM

I finally had a chance to test the new guide today.

Only on the tri-oval though.

It was .04 faster then my normal guide. That is a lot when the laps are 2.150 range.

Can't wait to try it on the road course.

I'm calling Mike on an order soon.
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Posted 22 July 2017 - 02:11 PM

Danny I ran them the last race on my canam and NASCAR.


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Posted 23 July 2017 - 04:04 PM

Congrats to Willy Custer for taking both the Can-Am and F1 win, this past Saturday, at the R.O.C. at Mid-America, using the C/R pinned, Red Fox guides.

 

While I was not around to see if he survived many, if any hits, I was shown the stamped chassis that Chris Radisich bent the ear adjacent to the guide tongue,on the LTD flat track, and the flag survived,  and was there to witness Kevin Van Pelt break his guide clip in two.

 

I'm not exactly sure how Chris' car hit, but the KVP car, obviously took a direct hit to the nose of the flag, and it survived.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:13 PM

I finally caught up with all my orders for these.
 
These wound up not being super aggravating, for me to do, so I will continue for the time being.
 
I wound up doing about 15 extra, if anyone needs ones shipped right away.
 
As James Grandi mentioned in the other thread I ran on RF guides, none of the surfaces are very flat.
 
I've experimented with flattening/truing them a bit, and have shipped and will ship some, that way.
 
Here's what they look like, although this pink one doesn't show it that much, from lack of contrast.
 
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Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:52 PM

The extra's are sold.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 12:10 PM

At the Battle of the Colonies (HVR). All winners used RedFox guide flags.Matt Bruce,Jimmy Williams,Brian Cochran,John Weaver, and Chubby. Guess other cats were testing these flags as well. Don't know if these cats used pinned or unpinned flags. Did see one flag snap at the base, after a hard wall hit. I still think it's faster bacause it's a harder material. That brings me to this, boiled flag vs non boiled flag. Could it be 3 out of 4 non boiled flags are faster than the boiled ones. Will have to wait and see.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 04:03 PM

Pat,

Of the racers you mentioned, probably the only one that might of run a pinned one, would be Matt Bruce, via Greg Van Peenen.

 

When you say  "snap at the base", did the post break off (apparently the most common issue), or did the blade snap off?

 

Regardless, I assume it was an unpinned one.

 

I agree they are faster because it's a harder material, but I don't think boiling slows them down.

 

Willy dominated the recent All-Star race, with guides I pinned and boiled.

 

He's a super-awesome racer, but if boiling slowed the guides down, it seems hard to believe he would of TQ'ed and won both classes, as easily as he did.

 

IIRC, in one race, he blew a motor at the end of a heat, dropping 2-3 laps, and still won by 2-3 laps.

 

Plus I got the impression quite a few guys are boiling them.

 

Also, you would think they are already pre-boiled, when they are dyed.


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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:30 PM

The post broke at the bottom, I think it was a rider. It was a very hard hit. I also agree with you that boiling them should not slow them down. The flag that snapped was not pinned, I would be curious if it was pinned would it have survived. But I'll tell you what, I would rather have a pinned flag then a non pinned one. When you make more let me know.

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Posted 13 August 2017 - 06:52 PM

No way of knowing if a pinned one would survive.

 

Guys like Cheater claim that they never broke guides , they pinned, years ago.

 

But that was years ago, with different cars and different guides.

 

I never ran any as a wing racer.

 

I make no claims my pinned ones are unbreakable.

 

Just that common sense would indicate they would have to be at least a little bit stronger.

 

You can order them anytime.

 

I never really stopped making them.

 

About 3 minutes after I filled all my orders, and sold the few leftovers, I had, I was back ordered again.


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 08:31 AM

With reports of more broken guide's, at one of the big races, this past weekend, I have a feeling I'll be doing the below, for awhile.

One racer mentioned breaking a guide, in the clip area, in a pretty minor wreck, (in practice?)

Obviously, pinning wouldn't help that situation.

But the racer admitted that the guide wasn't boiled.

I would suggest to racers, even if they don't use a pinned guide, they make sure they boil them.

Be aware that the dye will stain cookware, so I suggest purchasing something like in the pic.

It's a pot from Hobby Lobby that is typically used for candle making.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 08:33 AM

be aware that the dye???


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 08:36 AM

Be aware that the dye



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Posted 17 August 2017 - 08:48 AM

Sorry about that.

I got interrupted mid-post, to try to locate some lasagna. lol

The post is finished.

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 10:32 AM

And the lasagna?


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Posted 17 August 2017 - 11:50 AM

Jc Martin uses two part epoxy on his guide clips when he puts them in. He has never broke one .
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Posted 17 August 2017 - 01:26 PM

Pat,

Of the racers you mentioned, probably the only one that might of run a pinned one, would be Matt Bruce, via Greg Van Peenen.

 

When you say  "snap at the base", did the post break off (apparently the most common issue), or did the blade snap off?

 

Regardless, I assume it was an unpinned one.

 

I agree they are faster because it's a harder material, but I don't think boiling slows them down.

 

Willy dominated the recent All-Star race, with guides I pinned and boiled.

 

He's a super-awesome racer, but if boiling slowed the guides down, it seems hard to believe he would of TQ'ed and won both classes, as easily as he did.

 

IIRC, in one race, he blew a motor at the end of a heat, dropping 2-3 laps, and still won by 2-3 laps.

 

Plus I got the impression quite a few guys are boiling them.

 

Also, you would think they are already pre-boiled, when they are dyed.

Mike,

 

Matt has only run the new Red Fox guides in the Retro East Enduro where they broke a stock one. He ran an old style Red Fox Guide at HVR. I need to get some more pined ones to send him. Just for your info I crashed hard at our weekly races a few days ago. So hard it bent one side of the front wing on a Mosetti defender chassis up at a 45 degree angle and didn't break the new red fox guide that you pinned and boiled.

 

Keep up your good work with those guides. And send me another dozen boiled, threaded, and pinned ones please.

 

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Posted 18 August 2017 - 06:16 PM

Will do , Greg.

 

And you, or anyone else, doesn't have to specify boiled.

 

I was doing that to all of them way before I started pinning them.

 

Racers only need to specify, if for some reason, they didn't want them boiled.

 

Speaking of boiling, if you boil your own, beware you have to keep an eye on them.

 

Someone just sent me a pic of some they didn't (keep an eye on), probably also had the heat on too high, and the water boiled out.

 

The yellow ones looked just like the awesome roasted potatoes I get from the Chinese buffet in my neighborhood. lol


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:32 AM

Just a little info for all.  I used the Red Fox guides on all my chassis for the FNRS at Durham last weekend and did take some good head on wall shots with no problems.  They were not pinned.  I wanted to see if they would hold up for me.  Heaven knows I'm not the driver I use to be and it showed.


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 11:42 AM

Fred,

You must be a skillful crasher......or lucky.

 

There were other racers who broke guides at the race you were at.

 

Enough so, since the race ended, I've gotten orders for pinned ones, from 3 of the racers who had podium finishes.

 

PS-were yours at least boiled?


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:16 PM

Don't know Mike I got them from you.  Did you boil them?  I didn't.


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 05:30 PM

I went to boiling all of them in early June.

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 01:38 PM

Don't know Mike I got them from you.  Did you boil them?  I didn't.

 

 

I went to boiling all of them in early June.

Fred PM'ed me confirming he ordered them June 13th, so they would of been boiled.

 

From my previous, original thread on the new Red Fox guides;

 

Posted 07 June 2017 - 06:46 PM

I did go to boiling the latest batch (that came in today).


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 06:18 PM

Just about everyone is using them now at BPR and I have seen a few break, but really it doesn't seem to be any more than in the past few years.  If you take a hit that will break the guide, chances are you're going to have other problems too!  I think at the last Summer Classic race we had maybe  two guides break over 3 days of racing.  Seems reasonable for the amount of racing we got in.


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Posted 24 August 2017 - 07:46 PM

Just so there isn't any confusion, I think Tim N. is referring to unpinned Red Fox guides in the above post.

 

I haven't heard of any examples of the pinned ones failing in a race.

 

I've heard of 2 failures, total, on the pinned ones.

 

On one, the post broke during threading, or rethreading, with an old threader.

 

I don't think the pin could be of any value, on one snapped off in a twisting motion.

 

The other was in practice, where the car hit something hard enough, it bent the wire pin about 15 degrees, before it broke in two.

 

As far as last week, I didn't hear of any at the Tom Thumb, Jim Nolen Memorial Enduro.

 

Two or three teams, had my pinned ones, on their cars.

 

One team mentioned getting ridered into the Deadman, having a clip and a braid, knocked out, but the flag survived.

 

At the USRA Wing Nats, Jason Hooper was runner-up in both One Motor Box, and G27 Lite, using my pinned ones.

 

But he said there wasn't any breakage, that he noticed, with any.

 

Maybe the lighter cars aren't that hard on them.

 

I know I haven't seen any here, in our Group F and FK12 wing races, and most are unpinned.


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Posted 25 August 2017 - 07:57 PM

Sorry Mike,  correct---un pinned stock guides.  We have found like everyone else, they DO seem to be faster!!  I haven't seen any of Mike's pinned guides yet, but that has to be a great  upgrade!! :)


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 02:48 PM

It was a diametrical opposite for RF guides, this past weekend.

 

At one Retro race, on a fast Hillclimb, no reports of broken guides.

 

In another race, with Retro and flexi cars, on a fast Gerding King, reports of at least 7 broken guides (AFAIK, all unpinned).

 

Some racers may of noticed, as of late, that they are receiving guides from me, with .047" wire pinning, instead of .039".

 

I've been on a hot streak, with my drilling mojo, so in an attempt to offer the best product I can, I've been stuffing in the biggest wire, possible/practical, for me to do.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 03:22 PM

What about the extra weight? Lol.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 03:32 PM

I took 2 major front end shots this past weekend at haven raceway. Both hits were square hits right up front guide showed no signs of damage.
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Posted 28 August 2017 - 06:30 PM

Exactly what/why boil?  Does it make them harder in some way, or less brittle?


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 07:51 PM

Boiling helps make them less brittle.  Helps avoid breaking them.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:00 PM

Water absorbed by nylon, makes it more flexible and releaves some of the molding stress
But over time the water will dispate, so reboiling is required

Pinning the guide prevents guide shalf from flexing too much during a hard impact. Any material will only flex so much before it will fail

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Posted 28 August 2017 - 09:15 PM

I've tried to get that point across, about reboiling being a real good idea, in another thread, here on Slotblog.

 

http://slotblog.net/...hat-i-would-do/

 

But an "expert", on FB, has insisted it's not necessary to reboil, or pin.

 

The same expert, who broke two guides over the weekend, in both a Retro and Flexi car.

 

I just checked a number of guides, I boiled for about 30 minutes, about 2 1/2 weeks ago.

 

There isn't any way they are nearly as flexible, as they were, right after boiling, or the few days, to a week, afterwards.


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Posted 28 August 2017 - 10:07 PM

I took 2 major front end shots this past weekend at haven raceway. Both hits were square hits right up front guide showed no signs of damage.

Thanks a lot for your feedback, Willy.

 

I don't have the equipment to measure how much stronger they are, so it's good to see they are surviving hard hits.

 

If they weren't useful, providing an extra measure of safety, in a crash, I'd rather be devoting my time, to other projects.


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 03:02 PM

Thanks a lot for your feedback, Willy.
 
I don't have the equipment to measure how much stronger they are, so it's good to see they are surviving hard hits.
 
If they weren't useful, providing an extra measure of safety, in a crash, I'd rather be devoting my time, to other projects.


No problem. I was a little uneasy having them on my car at retro palozza not knowing if they would last because i didnt boil or pin my first few i got..after thid past weekend i think seeing them withstand the 2 hits i had makes me feek alot better about boiling and pinning them. Thanks.
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Posted 29 August 2017 - 04:31 PM

Mike,

 

I assume the pinned ones can be cut down even further than when they first arrive from you without damaging the integrity of the guide flag?


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Posted 29 August 2017 - 06:40 PM

A very good question.

 

Yes, it can be cut down.

 

But I would leave it as long as possible.

 

When I've tested them, a couple times, and hit them with a hammer, harder each time, until the the post breaks, the pin has stayed in the bottom part of the guide (blade and base), but comes out of the post.

 

For (maybe) a tiny bit more strength, you could cut the plastic part of the post, but leave the pin full length.

 

You could then solder an .047"-050" Sonic keeper on the protruding wire, and then trim the excess wire.

 

Of course, all the above would be predicated by how much body clearance you have.


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Posted 02 September 2017 - 09:26 AM

Have been using Red Fox guides -boiled and pinned- by Chicagoland in our summer racing program. On the red lane the other night on the King - using a 4" flexi, s16d, RF pinned guide- my car whipped around the lead-on and was full tilt down the straight when the car slammed into car parked in my red lane. (Ever have that happen where you look left down the track but guys are leaning over so far you can't see your lane???) Anyway, I whacked the parked car full tilt. Result was a loud crack with no damage to my car - pinned guide intact - with the other car hit so hard it knocked the motor lose from the chassis.

That's been my experience with these RF pinned guides so far. I've had plenty of crashes but no guide failures. So far, so good.
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 10:20 AM

Does anyone have any experience on just boiling and not pinning the guides?

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Posted 02 September 2017 - 11:20 AM

Mark, read posts #83,84, and 87.  You'll get your answer.


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Posted 02 September 2017 - 06:29 PM

Along with the above, check out #91, #96, #97, and the below link;

 

http://slotblog.net/...hat-i-would-do/


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Posted 05 September 2017 - 08:16 PM

I just saw a confusing post on FB, citing using metric nuts for Red Fox guides, to avoid breakage.
 
I guess if the post was threaded, using a metric threader, that's what you would use.
 
To be clear, any pre-threaded guides, pinned or unpinned, purchased from me, were threaded, using the same GT1, (non-Metric) 10-32 threader.
 
Use nylon 10-32 nuts, either stock, standard height ones, or the trimmed ones shown in the below photo.
 
If you want to use a metal one, my locals are having great luck with the new JK round aluminum nuts.
 
Do NOT use the Koford M615 brass.
 
It is much too tight a fit on the Red Fox guide.

 

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My trimmed nylon 10-32 nuts, on a nylon 10-32 bolt, threaded all the way into my 10-32 threader.

 
 


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