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[Edo]

Gee guys, what insinuating questions!
The updated Official pic has been done yesterday so it just means that, at the moment at least, the cars are as immaculate as of when we got them (race use not withstanding).

"As of the "after" pic only the Higher Powers, who control the car's destiny, will know."
So said the Mad Butcher sharpening his bistoury...
:twisted: :mrgreen: :twisted:

[Edo]

...How can motors be replaced but you couldn't run the Cherry with a stiff front end in the next race...

Hi Richard
Don said it perfectly in the previous page of this thread when Tom also complained to me for not putting much needed weight on his Trantula.
I know it would have been quite simple to fix the Black Cherry's drop arm, put weights on the Trantula and also lower the gear ratio on at least a dozen of those cars and a lot more tuning could have been done to all of them as the races went along. But that takes a lot of time and parts. Something we were not expecting to have to do.
Instead basic maintenace is performed the best we can to keep the cars going until the end of the Proxy. Endbell's burned motor was changed in that spirit exactly like those of the Vulture, Mach 1 and SuperCuc which all burned on the Blue King in Copenhagen as previously stated in this thread.
Richard, I can only assure you that shall the Black Cherry burn its motor or something that will prevent her to run I will not put her aside but I will keep her going by all means!
Kind regards
Edo

[Markus Reichl]

I just gotta know. How can motors be replaced but you couldn't run the Cherry with a stiff front end in the next race.

Motors change, tires change, but a floppy drop arm can't be fixed?

I don't understand these rules.

Are there rules?

For next year I hope you can come up with some sensable rules, or bare minimum let us know ahead of time what the rules are.

Although Don´s explanation seemed perfect to me, the issue is still not settled? Mmmmhhhh... O.k., let´s put it easier then:

Edo and Allan (my little help is not comparable to their efforts) are doing everything to keep the cars in the race. Meaning that they are changing burnt motors and substitute lost or damaged parts.

But it is not their task to TUNE the cars. In a proxy race every car should be properly set up by the constructor BEFORE he is entering the car. If the car is not too driveable, it earns bad points in the race. It is not the proxy directors´ task to change the car, but the constructor should build a better car next time.

In fact, some cars received a little bit of help so that they could enter and survive, e.g. when parts were lost during transportation. But this was never done to make them run better than other cars.

To take the examples of lead and droparm: If there was lead in the car which was lost, it would have been replaced. If the drop arm fixing broke, it would have been fixed. But if a contestant enters a car with bad trimming or set-up, the car is slower than others.

So there is no need to change rules. And there are enough... The race directors already have sh..loads of work and they are worshipping every car more than their own. But it´s not up to them when a participant sends an incompetitive car.

However, IT IS a cool event and I love to be a part of it. Next year is a good chance for every new proxy racer, and a new chance for everybody who is already competing. Still it is a fun thing. And it should remain fun for Edo and Allan and all others...

All the best,

Markus

[idare2bdul]

Every track I ever raced at had some rules that differed from excepted norms. Why should we expect proxy races to be different. At the one Marconi race I went to we "Adjusted," some cars to help them out a little bit. I think a lot of people like to participate, few really expect to win.

[Edo]

IAt any rate I did not enter a car in this Proxy race, I just built a car for a friend and he chose to run it.

Hi Richard
the Black Cherry fitted the rules perfectly and I could not not enter it and if you look at the official picture you can see that it takes its place wonderfully in that group.
I cherish it very very much and I thank you once again for giving it to me!
It is the first Proxy Thingie race we organized and we are learning a lot for the next ones. Next year we will publish the rules and the tracks pictures here on SBlog too and I really hope you and Ed will take part!
Kind regards
Edo[/b]

[Edo]

I just wanted to shed a few tears and now I am over it.

Gee Richard
you got me scared for a moment! I really was suffering because of your posts.
OK I can relax now.
:kiss:

[Pablo]

I'm pretty stoked I had some of my work in there too :shock:

Just being at the party makes me feel like a winner 8)

Who will be my partner next year? I've wanted to do a proxy gig for a long time 8) :twisted:

[tjsguns]

Pablo,
YOU are d MAN for chassis design and build!!! 8) 8) :twisted: :twisted: I would be EXTATIC to be yer partner in ANY race ANY time!!
I am totally convinced that if we could have made a slight adjustment in the Tranny's front end weight we would have kicked everyones *** in this race. AND this car wasn't even built for racing!!! It was a PURE experiment in terror!!! :twisted: :twisted:
If the concourse awards points for being TOTALLY original and TRUE to 60's era Thingies then Tranny wins HANDS DOWN!!!

[endbelldrive]

I'm pretty stoked I had some of my work in there too :shock:

Just being at the party makes me feel like a winner 8)

Me too! 8)

Hey Paul, I built this with a torch!

[TSR]

Hey Paul, I built this with a torch!

Bob, it looks it!




Seriously, very nice job and well in the spirit of things...

[TSR]

Torches are great to keep everyone at bay while building the chassis with an iron...

[endbelldrive]

[quote=TSRF24][quote=Bill from NH]Care to give us your opinion regarding the pros & cons of torch soldering vs. using an iron? Pablo has me half convinced that using a torch is a good idea but maybe I need a little shove. [/quote]

You too can make solder joints almost as good as Lee Gilbert's. The torch makes it easier to get a neat, strong joint with a minimum amount of solder. I went a little nuts and did the frame with 98% tin./2% solder which is a little iffy to use with the old Ungar stick. The little pieces also stay in place better when I use the torch. I have a habit of knocking bits like cross braces and pan down stops out of alignment when I use a soldering iron.

[rdmac]

...I built this with a torch!

Hey Bob Is that a fire proof block under the chassis? Where'd you got it? Are they still available? Does it have pin holes in it? okay I'll stop now. :mrgreen:
PS: nice chassis. Is it a customer car or is it part of the North American Thingie Contingent for the 2007 Thingie Proxy Race? 8)

[endbelldrive]

Hi Bob, It's one of JK Products's old grey Corian building jigs that I bought back in 1988. It's fire proof but it chars a bit so It's been milled flat a couple of times. It has posts for 3/32" rear axles and an adjustable bolt to set the guide lead but not holes for lining up stuff. Not as nice as the old Champion "slate" jigs but it's got about 150 chassis builds on it. I think it's still available.

I built the chassis along with a custom airbrushed Shinoda Bullet for Kai Bach Andersen body in exchange for a bunch of those cool thingie front wheels and set screw 5-hole rear hubs.:up:

[Edo]

Now more than ever we need a Proxy round in the USA!
Can you guys imagine having a chance to race all those cars?
Any news about the 2007 Convention at Buena Park? That's where, ideally, it should take place at.
Maybe EDreams would even be interested in sponsoring the event.
E. (looking for funds)

[Pablo]

Minitorch RULES Way to go, Bob :up: :clap: Welcome to the club; now there are two of us. The joints look more SANO than before, if that is even possible :smokin: The bar has just been raised, and a new tool goes in the toolbox. :twisted: :dance:

Tom, I accept your proxy partnership. Like you said, The T'Rantula was just for shock and awe, next year we build to win! We start now. :twisted: :idea:

[Edo]

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