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#51 Pat McGee

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Posted 04 May 2011 - 08:48 AM

Anyone up for pancakes?? :laugh2: Here's my little toy, first HO build since '76!

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 07:43 AM

NEW Hobby Store in NJ. Just saw today this web site 1/64 track Cedar Grove.

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Posted 05 August 2011 - 08:52 PM

Rick?

is that Rick Terry?

I'd like to get one of these.

http://web.me.com/ho...Racer/Home.html


Here is picture with Ricks new jig:




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Posted 05 August 2011 - 10:07 PM

Those jigs come from Rick at R-Geo. He posts and advertises here on slotblog.
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Posted 06 August 2011 - 03:33 PM

Pat...thanks, I'll check it out.


Those jigs come from Rick at R-Geo. He posts and advertises here on slotblog.





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Posted 07 August 2011 - 06:52 PM

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 06:55 PM

and a dragster too.
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Posted 08 August 2011 - 01:01 PM

Al,
I know that since the 70's many new smaller motors have been made. Are the motors that were looking at a new design or retro-1970's. Also a little update on the 1972 parma Chaaallenge track. The reconstruction is going well. The decision to use copper tape ( original) or braid has yet to be determined. The test track will tell us if the track surface can be routed for the braid.Thanks for the photos,
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 11:08 AM

Al,
Were you get those motors? Nice work Here is a Chassis i was working on copy Joels. Is that some type resistor so motor don`t burn out?

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Posted 09 August 2011 - 01:35 PM

John and Pat, Nice job! More , more , more!
Guys, right now both sources of these motors ,Surplus Traders and Allellectronics, is out. :angry:
Its Mabuchi FFM20VA/VK. iit measures 10 mm W 8mm H 15mmL YOU WANT THE ONES WITH NEO MAGS. Joel just learned this yes some have NEOs. :)
Surplus traders have FFN20PA in stock. They measure 12mm W 10mm H 15 mm L The ones I have have some sort of ceramic mags . Maybe polymer. If they had NEOs it would be very powerful. However i have found in testing that the smaller motor with NEOs has plenty of tourqe to propel a non downforce car. Its the ticket.
Beleive me. I have done the testing. Yes the endbells are pos's with no carbon brushes. Yes if you insist on pumping 18 V through it it WILL blow up. :laugh2:
One of the cars in the pic went around a circle test track @ 4V for 8 HRs. The motor will do the job. :) That s why they have slip on sili's. wear out the good ones they go go go....
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 01:49 PM

Right now a big holdup is a lack of a worthy track to test. That may change soon. In the meantime I am picking up inertia to try a few things very soon one way or the other.
I have a variety of resisters to try. The questions are will they overheat and fail, melt the body, :laugh2: , or whatever. :)
If we can figure out how to make these babies work,, along with a partner, I will order 1,000 of em. Gotta make sure it has NEO mags. :)
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Posted 09 August 2011 - 01:51 PM

And one last thing.
Even with NEO mags the motor passes the Midwest Series lift device test. :)
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Posted 11 August 2011 - 06:23 PM

Just had to post a photo of Roy Wongs Independent suspension car...............RWong HO1.jpg
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Posted 14 August 2011 - 07:02 AM

Fred,

Thanks for posting. Is Roy on here? Did he do other HO Scratch building? Were is this car today?

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 09:50 AM

Fred,

Thanks for posting. Is Roy on here? Did he do other HO Scratch building? Were is this car today?

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:05 AM

Well heres Pat Dennis Progress on MARK II .Alive & well still contributing to the hobby.Thanks Pat
.http://www.toybaron.com/PatDennisMK2progress.htm#Jan2012
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Posted 12 February 2012 - 11:14 PM

CHASSIS 3 SIDE.JPG Thought I'd bump this up with my latest and greatest.....

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 03:40 PM

Pat,

The car looks awesome! This is the place to post it! I look forward to seeing it in person on Thursday, maybe even seeing it run!

Can you substitute larger pictures?

I wonder if plastic idler gears were available and period correct? I remember that a number of people used alternative crown gears (not Aurora, like, Cobra crowns) and there are a lot of very nice crown gears available today - not period correct but, perhaps, better suited, more reliable and faster. Heck, you are using modern silicone on sponge tires...

When I was at Walt's last Friday, I noticed 8 various brass pans with screws all wrapped up together. I think Doug Morris must have snuck them into my box. I think they are all TCP NOS pans! I need to start building some IROC cars, I guess!

In our "Brass Wars" class, I did not have any .003 phosphorus bronze to make pickups from. Out of necessity, I used the .002 brass in the K&S Shim Stock assortment package. On today's "rounted" high quality tracks, the track joints do not do the "continuous band saw" machining on the wipers and they held up very well for a couple of races.

As you can imagine, the handling performance picks up substantially as there is much less "spring" trying to push the car out of the slot! Other "gravity" racers running wipers should try this and see how it works for them. I imagine a .002 or .0025 half hard phosphorus bronze would work even better as the brass is pretty ductile and would look "period correct".

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Posted 13 February 2012 - 09:33 PM

Thanks, AJ. The three cars I've built so far have all been NOS TCP pans, something I never used in the day, always cut my own. The car you saw in Longmont last year was a bronze wiper TCP "Open" pan (full brass), my second was a TCP "Pro" pan with stock A/FX pick-ups, and the open middle section. I don't ever recall anyone running those in Michigan HOPRA, neither does Doug. However, he's doing well in the Midwest gravity races with his, and mine seemed pretty quick. So, I decided to build a "wiper" car with the open center, the thing is a missle with a stock, unbalanced "mean green" arm in it, should pass the "lift" test with ease, going to buy a lift tester from Scale Engineering soon. Problem being, I don't have anyone else's builds to compare them to on the track! BTW, most of the lead shown in the pics has been removed, it's not needed.

I always liked brass idlers, though the plastic ones were around in the day. I'm going to do some experimenting with crown gears, though you have limited room due to the pancake motor's gear plate. Right now I'm using 19 tooth tyco-pro crown gears with the boss cut down to fit in the A/FX chassis, along with .059 axles and brass bushings. All three cars at first had standard Aurora .063 axles with 19 tooth A/FX hop-up gears, they bounced all over, the new axles and bushings settled them right down, nice and smooth. No secrets here, well, a few, but, pretty much just like we built 'em in '71-'72. The silicone/sponge tires are a neccesity, since no one runs glue in HO anymore, and you don't want to gunk up the track for modern cars. Once they start to get dirty, the cars slide around like a real car running out of tire late in a race.

The only bronze sheet I've found is a K&S item listed on Walther's web site (train stuff), I'll have to get some as I'm about out of what I got from Doug and Al.

Left my little usb storage thingee at the office, I'll post pics of all three cars for the masses tomorrow, but big enough for your tired old eyes to see! You'll see all three cars in the flesh this Thursday.

Just remembered, car #1, my first build in HO since the '76 Nat's, is shown in post #51 of this thread....
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Posted 15 February 2012 - 03:50 PM

Here's some larger pics......

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Posted 19 February 2012 - 09:40 AM

Pat,
I love those TCP pans, I found one of his lap counters.
AJ was going to post some pictures , from back in the day?
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Posted 19 February 2012 - 11:19 PM

Pat,
I love those TCP pans, I found one of his lap counters.
AJ was going to post some pictures , from back in the day?
Thanks John F


Two or four lane? Post a pic. Those were the "trackmate" of the day, best there was.
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 07:43 AM

Pat,
It is two lane . I posted picture in Vintage HO History. You mentioned someone won one "Jason" post # 40. I put picture post#43.
It sounded like you wanted to see it. If you don`t find it i will resend.
What other TCP parts do you have?
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Posted 20 February 2012 - 12:06 PM

Hi, John. Saw the pic, if I recall, Tom built those in 2, 4, and 6 lane configurations. I don't have anything left in any scale from the day, all went away in the '80's, for virtually nothing compared to prices vintage stuff is pulling today. Don't even like to think about how many Faller cars I tossed after stealing the motor brushes and springs from them. TCP offered everything from brass pans, tires, bushings, brush tubes, rewound armatures, magnets, etc.
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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:00 PM

This one's just to be different...

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:22 AM

It's a runner, looks pretty retro with the AJ's fronts and fat TCP's on the rear. Has some promise, axles/tires/wheels will be replaced with something more "race-worthy". No shelf queens here.....

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:22 PM

Al, those tiny can motors should be the trick for that landshark. when I get a chance, I'm going to bulid one
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:27 PM

n... too much v will create heat n throw all the wires. was playing with one of the motors and blew-up the arm
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Posted 22 March 2012 - 10:55 PM

Hey there Pat, where did you get the rubber for those TCP rears? I'm looking for tires like that as well as needing some new foam rubber. Any help would be appriciated.

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Posted 22 March 2012 - 11:02 PM

Hi, Matt. Doug Morris sent me those tires a couple years ago in a "care" package, right when I was starting to get back into this stuff, I think they're re-pops of the old TCP's, not original. I coated them myself. Don't know if anymore are available. On evil-bay "sluggoslots" often has rubber donuts available.
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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:21 AM

Thanks Pat. The search continues...
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Posted 24 March 2012 - 12:52 PM

If you tell sluggo you want the ones like Doug Morris , they have a smaller ID for TCP rims. He will know.
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Posted 02 April 2012 - 11:35 PM

Here is one from Bob Demco. Very nice!
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Mike these little motors are sweet, a bundle of potential. You have to replace a lead wire with a1/2 watt 10 or 15 ohm resister The ones with NEO mags are actually too powerfull and easily overpower the car. Like a 1/24 G7 wing car , you do not want to free rev the motor at full power. It will eat itself up.
Pat I gotta get my 4 gear done!
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 01:08 AM

Here is one from Bob Demco. Very nice!
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Mike these little motors are sweet, a bundle of potential. You have to replace a lead wire with a1/2 watt 10 or 15 ohm resister The ones with NEO mags are actually too powerfull and easily overpower the car. Like a 1/24 G7 wing car , you do not want to free rev the motor at full power. It will eat itself up.
Pat I gotta get my 4 gear done!

That car looks awesome!!! where can I get one.

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Posted 06 April 2012 - 09:14 PM

Karl Do you have a Dremel and solder iron? They are not that hard to make the way Bob made his. Look close, just some flat K&S flat brass and 3/32 tube. Dont be intimidated, its not that hard. Your first may be a learning experience but keep trying.
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Posted 06 April 2012 - 11:53 PM

Not much is more satisfying than a good running slot car that YOU made from scratch


Got that right, Al! Give it a go, Karl, can motor or pancake, build, thrash, tune. If you don't like it, rip it up, do it again! Nothing like the smell of hot brass and burning dremel discs (fingertips, too...). And to me, these BRASCAR/Gravity Unlimited cars are much more fun to drive. On my track, a 1.8 sec lap with a SS Wizzard is boring to me compared to a 4.2 with a G.U. car. And, you really have to build the G.U. car, rather than bash a bunch of parts together. Yes, I know, I haven't raced HO on the national level in over 35 years, never have really ran a magnet car in anger, but, just my take.
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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:15 PM

What kind of motor is in the anglewinder ? A NOS HT-50 or is there a better choice.......Thanks
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 04:16 PM

My latest victim, another pick-up car using a TCP pro-pan....

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And this is just for John.....

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that card has been living in the lid of my travel box for the last 40 years....
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Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:24 PM

"Come on, Chauncey! Break a leg!"

Rog - Team Saggin'nose - prior to Chauncey takin' the track at a HOPRA race sometime in the early '70's

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 01:27 PM

"Come on, Chauncey! Break a leg!"

Rog - Team Saggin'nose - prior to Chauncey takin' the track at a HOPRA race sometime in the early '70's



Darn! Almost sounds like a thespian! Does that art mix with slot car racing?
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Posted 11 May 2012 - 09:35 AM

Pat,
Whos Chauncey? I never saw the name togeather,with Tom's /TCP ???
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 07:21 AM

Heres a picture of one of Doug Morris Lead Sleds.
Pat I sent that TCP card to Doug he should be on here soon.
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Posted 12 May 2012 - 08:37 AM

Doug Morris here with my bi-annual posting.

For Matt, Sluggo can cut the TCP size foam, he made a cutter a couple of years ago and cut a bunch for me. I still have several dozen pair of original TCP foam (foam only) and amazingly they are still soft. About a year ago I bought a new Sherline lathe, I hope to make up some more of the TCP replica rear rims. I only work on the stuff in the winter so it's slow going.

AJ, you mentioned something about if plastic idlers were period correct, they are, they actually first appeared on the Tuff Ones. Occasionally a card of them under the Tuff Ones name will show up. Back in the day I remember melting one in a club race, as long as the car was moving things were fine, well fine other then the motor was hot as all blazes, when we stopped for lane change the heat transfer from the armature gear wiped out the teeth on the idler, I have run brass ever since. But on the other hand I have also learned how to get my cars to run cooler.

Pat, I believe Tom also made an 8 lane counter, I have some NOS original labels for each, I'll have to dig them out and post some pictures.

Pat, what was the deal with the card? Did Chauncey and Tom produce something together?

Pat, when building the TCP Pro Pan add a piece of .032 brass rod down the edges, that brings the width out just right, 1/4" flat bar for the shaker will fit perfect.

Speaking of TCP, I still have lots of NOS TCP pans, especially the Pro Pans (stock pickups) if anybody wants to jump on the Brass Band Wagon.

Pat, I have a 4 gear in mind to do, so little time! Doug

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Posted 13 May 2012 - 10:37 AM

Hi, Doug! As far as the card, I really don't remember Tom and Chauncey working together much myself, if at all, it's always made me wonder. I was given that card early in my HO career (?), I know I was always able to buy parts directly from Tom, didn't get much free stuff though (and Brownie always got the trick magnets....). I'll be in touch soon for more pieces parts, stay tuned....

John, Chauncey was more or less the head of the Saginaw, Mi racing club in the day.

BTW, I'll fess up here, dropped my three cars and DiFalco off to AJ yesterday to race at Lucky Bob's in June, Doug, he tells me you sent him a car, too! Got me scared to death, nothing like being overshadowed by the master! :wizard:
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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:16 PM

More progress, much cleaner than the last one! Side pans, rear axle bushings and a Wizzard front end next, but not until I swap out differentials in the Spitfire. Gotta have something I can afford to drive!

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:20 AM

Pat!! You soldered the pin in! Reminds me of a story, you remember Dan Nolley and Randy Ireland? Weasel and Jamnut. I know you remember Dan, he threw a roll of tape at you once to get your attention to marshal his car. Anyway, back in the day the 3 of us were a team in one of the Flint clubs 6 hour enduros and we were using Randy's car. The car started acting funny so we checked it out, he had epozied the guide pin in and it was loose. So I grabbed a hot iron to fix it, you can imagine how well that went, dirty epoxy coated, etc, the pan was also epoxied on, I noticed that when it fell off!

Yeah I sent AJ what was the fastest car in my possesion as of the Big Buck Shootout. It was turning faster times then the car I won with but it seemed too light and was a little harder to drive. I added some weight to it but didn't test it, it should be pretty good. I'm sure he will run the car that feels the most comfortable to him on race day, it's hard to tune a car from 300 miles away. Doug

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:05 PM

I know you remember Dan, he threw a roll of tape at you once to get your attention to marshal his car.


And I'm still quite scarred from the incident....... :wacko2:
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 01:14 PM

Nothing a six pack of therapy cant fix. :)
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Posted 17 May 2012 - 10:55 PM

Dan Nolley is one of the most relaxed and gentlemanly racers I have ever raced against. I can not imagine him throwing a roll of tape at anybody.
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Posted 18 May 2012 - 06:52 AM

Not even me?? :D
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