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[prplgeez]

The original tires were most definitely Limpach's Fresh Cuts. We were in Elyria... Jan was my pit man... they were Limpachs!!

[dc-65x]

Hi Joel,

Could I ask another favor ? Could you please measure the OD and ID of the wheels so we can find something "korrect"?

Thank you again. ,

[prplgeez]

Sure thing... OD appears to be approx .475" and ID .390ish but the story doesn't end there. The ID is composed of three different diameters. The major diameter is the .390" as mentioned but at approximately .135" from the outside endge, it steps out to about .400 then at .065" from the outside edge it steps out again to approx .415". I'm not going to take the rubber off to find out but I wouldn't be too surprised if the OD mimicks that progression. It strikes me as a potential way to keep the rubber more firmly in place but that's ALL pure speculation on my part and only Jan would know for sure... not that he would tell us:)

The hub is .755" long and the boss diameter is .295" and .155" long. The depth of the trepan measured from the outside edge is .500" and the distance to the end of the boss from the same reference is .317". The boss diameter appears to be approximately .190".

[prplgeez]

OH WAIT... just looked at your pic above... that hub on the end sure looks familiar! (So much for my theory about the od!)

[dc-65x]

Hi Joel,

Thanks for measuring the wheels. They are exactly what I thought they were. The only problem is, I don't know what they are . They match the "telescope" style wheels I have a few of. I swear I found an ad in MAR or MRJ that showed they were Associated but I can't find it . I'll keep looking.

Anyway, to those friends who offered to look for the right wheels... it's the one in the picture on the left .

[prplgeez]

Yeah, I'm confused by them as well... really didn't expect to see what I saw when I started digging into it. I'll email Jan and see if he can/will contribute.

[dc-65x]

Joel Montague's 1973 Nats-winning recreation is in Adam's hands. Adam is a racer and as a final chapter in this journey I hope he won't mind me sharing the email he sent me about the maiden outing of, as we call it, the "MONTAGUE MISSILE":

Hey Commander!

I finally ran cars today. I ran the "MONTAGUE MISSILE" (MM). 3.6 with no
glue!!! A gem and then I ran "THE CAR" and could not beat the MM! Both
were sublime and wonderful the FREAKIN MM WAS SPINNING ALPHAS DOWN THE
STRAIGHT!!!!!! I HAD TO GLUE 'EM TO NOT BLOW THE ENGINE!!!! But I must say
DA FLASH'S Starship was great too, but nothing came close to the MM that engine soared
and the car stickkkkkkkks. Beeeeeutiful.

ONWARD

ADam

"Henri's Friend" lives again...

Onward indeed. Thank you, Joel.

[dc-65x]

Sometimes good things come to those who wait... and are persistent! To properly finish Adam's replica of the 1973 Nats Championship "Montague Missile" we needed the Associated wheels pictured above on the left. I had only a pair of originals and didn't want to give them up . None were forthcoming from the request in this post. What to do ?

Well we bit the bullet and had a run of them made to the exact specs of the originals. Here's my half of my lifetime supply :



They are mucho niceo, no?





Here is Adam's pair all polished up with fresh Riggen Rubber. They are 1/16" over size as I like to let them shrink a while and then finish grind them:



We did it, Adam .

Thanks again to Joel Montague. Without his help this project would not have been possible

[Tex]

MMMmmmmm... orange! ... like a Dreamsicle!

[havlicek]

Rick,

It must be extremely gratifying to to know that the cars are blasting around a track somewhere with the owner grinning like a cheshire cat to the sound of... whizzzz-whizzz . On that lifetime supply of wheels, god... maybe become a distributor Again... beautiful work!

[dc-65x]

Orange it is, Tex .

Thanks, John. I think the Missile is one of the nicest builds I've managed to date. Having Joel Montague looking over my shoulder kept me on my toes . Thanks Joel! His contribution of one of his NATS Pooch setups and a NOS "six-seven" armature meant all I had to do was simply assemble the motor and it would be a screamer.

As Adam said after his first drive, "the FREAKIN MM WAS SPINNING ALPHAS DOWN THE
STRAIGHT!!! I HAD TO GLUE 'EM TO NOT BLOW THE ENGINE!!!"

Onward...

[havlicek]

Onward indeed!

... and at very high speed!

... those big-gauge beauties are pretty compelling all by themselves!

Rick,

How much can (and rear magnet!?) contouring was done to achieve such a shallow angle between the motor and the rear axle? I could see the can was modified back there, but couldn't make out exactly what and how much was done.

[dc-65x]

Hi John,

The first Champion Cee can didn't have an axle cutout so Joel added one along with a slight relief in the magnet which you can just see in this picture:

[havlicek]

... ahhh, thanks Rick. I missed that and the motor looks impossibly close to the axle tube without these cuts. Cool! (er!)

[Gator Bob]

Total Outrageous-ness.

 

I don't think it can get any better than that.     

 

IMHO, 1973 to 1975 were the best years ever on Planet Earth.

[dc-65x]

Hi Bob,

 

Wow, I haven't looked at that car for almost 6 years. It was a wonderful experience to work with Joel on recreating his championship car. I think it was the best work I've ever done......probably ever will do.

 

I have no idea where either Adam or the car is now.............

[SlotStox#53]

Wow! Rick you pulled out all the stops with this build! ALong with all the help from Joel the finished article along with the Noose body =

 

Can't even begin to imagine putting something like this together all those rails & little bits  

[Gator Bob]

Hi Bob,

 

Wow, I haven't looked at that car for almost 6 years. It was a wonderful experience to work with Joel on recreating his championship car. I think it was the best work I've ever done......probably ever will do.

 

I have no idea where either Adam or the car is now.............

Hmmm... that's a shame that it and it's owner is 'lost' ?

Make another one

[SlotStox#53]

What Bob said  

[Zippity]

WOW!!

 

I've just spent the last hour and a bit reading this thread from end to end.

 

Amazing

[SlotStox#53]

WOW!!

 

I've just spent the last hour and a bit reading this thread from end to end.

 

Amazing

Exactly what I just did before posting! Really great build/thread

[Jairus]

You know...... Adam asked me to paint a body for this car too.
Only because the original body seemed... off compared to the black and white photos.
Not the paint of course... because Noose does first rate work. But the body itself...

Consider the original car:



I did a little experimentation by ordering a handfull of the "Outasight" bodies to work with and set about cutting the waist down to match the photo.
Eventually I arrived at this, after cutting up most of them:


And the final result after shooting some color.

Notice the greatly reduced "wasp waist"? 

 

It's my contention that Joel eventually took two bodies and cut them so that once laid on a flat surface, could be mated back into one body and thus producing a radically altered piece that appeared to be off a stock mold.

 

B)

[Noose]

I did use the cut in two versions to make one.

[Jairus]

Where did you cut it Joe?
This photo of the original shows it clearly cut just behind the drivers station.

 

But your painted version is so smooth that I can't see the cut.
Do you have any "in progress shots"?

 

[Noose]

Never did in progress shots but I know I cut it in the same spot