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[dc-65x]

Here are the other goodies Joel sent:









Thanks, Joel!

[mdiv]

DC-65X:

It looks like a LOT of goodies CAMEN the mail!

Ack, starting to sound like my father! Eeek!

Great pics man, you inspire me!

[dc-65x]

Here's the progress on assembling Joel's Friend Henri. All it needs is the shunt wires to be ready to solder in the chassis. I'll do that when I get the modified heat sinks back from Joel. Here is drilling the hole for the copper wire buss bar to go through the endbell:



The brush hoods were soldered to the copper backing plates. The slot in the hood is opened up so the brush spring insulation and shunt wire will fit and move freely. A fiber insulator is installed under the brush spring post. The buss bar attaches to the lower screw and runs up the side of the end bell, goes through the hole I drilled. I sure hope this is the way you did it, Joel I think it is but it's hard to tell from the pictures . Man, those screw heads look like crud. They are new screws, too. I'll have to clean them up. Looks like I'd better countersink that hole I drilled, too. Man, these close-up pictures really show the boo-boos.

The brush spring are modern Camen Heavy springs. I always thought they had a vintage look to them and I've been using them on a lot of my motors. This is what Joel said about brush springs when I asked what I should use: "Actually, the springs I was going to send were modern Camen. They are very close to the Boyington's that we ran in that era and I doubt I have any Boyingtons."



Henri almost ready to go:





Aren't those little 0-80 flat head screws holding the endbell on cool



One last picture with Henri all dressed up with a new comm cooler. I know Joel didn't run one in the Nats but I finally got a batch made for me and I just had to see what it would look like on the motor:



Next I'll get the front wheels soldered on and... well... wait for those special heat sinks from Joel to finish Adam's bitch'n car.

Thanks for everything, Joel!

[Tex]

Schweet!

[dc-65x]

I love the way a comm cooler looks but it won't be used on this motor. Here are Joel's thoughts on them and why his Nats-winning motor was "coolerless":

One thing... RELIGIOUSLY did NOT use comm coolers. I know they look sexy but (in my opinion) they just add weight in the worst possible place. We didn't have excessive heat problems in that particular era and the bulk was not only unnecessary but counterproductive. Would much rather have heat sinks addressing the brushes (i.e. Elephant Ears, etc.) than adding non-productive rotational weight to the armature. Like I said... just my opinion... it seems to work.

Joel also commented on these other "Pooch hopeful" armatures I have:

BTW... from what I can make out via the pics, your three additional armatures all appear to be authentic Pooch... the two unengraved are most likely 24ga winds of one type or another and the 26 is almost surely a vintage single 26 of the era. Those (the single 26s) were mostly special orders for mild power tracks such as "West Seattle" and tracks with similar conditions.

I've got to give out a WEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! on that! Now I have a Pooch arm for my Lee Gilbert-Sundance-Car Model Magazine build. Lee did use a Pooch didn't he... geeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz... gotta go look that up.

[endbelldrive]

Man... those are classic arms.

[Slapshot]

The 26 appears (if you look below on the next stack) to be actually a 24 1/2 Guage or "24T" sorry can't see too clearly. Sometimes the wind numbers and Camen Logo got engraved on other stacks unless it was a double wind. The arm length is shorter with the bearing spacer cut flush nearer the windings (opposite side not the com end).

Dang... that 26-27 (double wind) is possibly the one that was a missing or misplaced B/O special order to West Seattle 25 some years ago. Joel was right we used the 26 single at West Seattle. I used 26 or similar 26-27 double winds at WSSH. If you got the 26 off E-pay then it most likely came out of Seattle. I still hve a few 24G fairly fresh Select and Plus 5 arms left that the coms are not lifted (Centerville) or cut to the "tab of death."

If I had knowen sooner I would have shipped Joel some C can forming slugs and inserts for milling sides along with an endbell turning tool holder I had. Plus the dozen or so Mura white endbells (and Elephant ear HS) some dyed Purple (ahhh boiling the endbell in purple Rit or comercial food coloring dye with lots vinegar in it worked perfect). .....Gads ZOOOKS....score... I just found my Camen "Pony" can forming slug now I can narrow my older Green C cans a 1/8".....cut cut hammer hammer braze....

Hey Jon.... (If you are the infamous Jon "Faster" Laster)... Lee Gilbert was just talking about you the other day...says Hey and someday you got to come up to Seattle to witness (or participate) in the fastest Flat Track 1/24 & 1/32 Eurosport racing in the country at Lee Gilberts Speedshop . Hang him an e-mail off his web site.

Raymond Batchelor

[Tex]

To me, it looks like the top stack says "S 26" and the bottom stack says "24t"... 24 turns of 26 single(?).

[dc-65x]

Yep, that what's engraved on the stack.

[Jairus]

Rick,

I am currently building one of these chassis. I mentioned that you had inspired me...

Anyway, I usually toss in a jig motor now and then just to make sure that there are plenty clearances and I noticed something. The right side plumber rails bump into the motor end bell!! Yeah, it's just slightly but it touches it nonetheless. I had to use a grinder to taper that inner rod in order to make sure it clears and never touches.

I was just wondering if you noticed this?

[Jairus]

See, Rick!

You can inspire... Although not as nice as your chassis... it is as close as I could get it.

[dc-65x]

Hi Jarius,

That's a great-looking chassis. I think I know who is going to be very happy. .
I'll check the plumber rail vs the endbell clearance tonight.

I can't wait to get the heat sinks back from Joel so I can finish mine up and get it on the track.

[S.O. Watt]

I used to run 23-26t 26 Selects (or Plus 5s?) at WSS&H. IMHO that thar is a 24T26.

And ya can take that to da bank!

[dc-65x]

The crowning touch for Henri's Friend is ready. Joel not only engraved the heat sinks:



He modified them to match his Nats-winning motor:



Thanks for including me, Joel but you did all the work. I just screwed it together . And, together it is:









I broke the motor in on the Koford analyzer using their recommended GP7 break in of 1.2v, 2v, and 3v. I used light Camen brush springs and the motor is drawing about 3.5 amps. It was barely warm at the end of the break-in, which surprised me.

The front wheels and front and rear motor mounts have been soldered onto the chassis. It's soaking in WD40 now and tomorrow I hope to get her finished.

THANKS, JOEL!

[Horsepower]

Cut the crap, Rick. Your stuff is better than any builder from the '70s, '80s, or anywhere past there. Except of course, PdL.

[TSR]

Gary,

I wish that at my slot racing zenith (and that was a long time ago), I would have been half-way as good as Rick...

I am a racer, not an artist...

[dc-65x]

Thanks, Gary, but my completion of these projects was helped more than you can imagine by the great builders of the Golden Era. Mine might be more highly polished but theirs were not only their own design but race winners.

"I am but an egg..."

[TSR]

If you are an egg, it is certainly not fried...

[dc-65x]

I misspoke in my previous post. The motor Joel sent us is not one of his favorite NATS motors Henri but a motor he patterned after it he named Henri's Friend. Now Henri's Friend has a new home:



Here is Joel's NATS winner and our tribute to it. Adam is going to get some "JOEL" labels made up to finish it off:









Here are some more views of the rolling chassis:









The body and air control were beautifully done by "NOOSE":











All that's left to do is grind up some fresh Riggen orange rubber on some appropriate wheels and this baby is off to Eddie's Blue King for a shake down:



We'd like to again thank Joel Montague for all his help on this project. Without it this project would have been a mere shadow of what it is now, a Pooch powered "Montague Missile" for the twenty-first century!

THANKS AGAIN JOEL!

[Ron Hershman]

Too FRIGGIN' cool!!

[prplgeez]

We REALLY need a pair of Limpach Fresh Cuts to finish this off right... you out there, Jan???

[Noose]

Rick, that came out awesome!

[JerseyJohn]

Sweettttttttttttttttttt!!!

[dc-65x]

We REALLY need a pair of Limpach Fresh Cuts to finish this off right... you out there, Jan???

Here are some of the choices I currently have for rear wheels. The tires will be fresh Riggen rubber from Ron Hershman:



The wheel on the far left is, I believe, an Associated. It has a "telescope" style inside. The Aguirre wheel is from the early '70s and sold for $1.80 but I fear the Limpachs and Camen ($2.99) are more modern.

From the pictures Steve Okeefe sent me of Jan's car, the rear wheels seem to have that "telescope" ID and they also seem larger in diameter than the other wheels pictured except, possibly, the Associated:



I'll donate any of these wheels to "the cause" except the Associated. I only have a couple of those.