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[racie35]

How bout.......plastic!

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[racie35]

Should display ok....ha! My brother made it

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[Jairus]

Well.... with that you could do a casting.  At least once....

[racie35]

Wouldn't know how...it's just for fun mainly.

[markus]

How bout.......plastic!

Awesome! Thought about doing that too! Maybe one of us should try one in clear plastic?

[racie35]

You be that guy Markus!! Make me a body too

[jmkunka]

Hi,

 

I stumbled upon this post while looking for reference for my latest project. I posted some progress of this Cox Gurney repro box as a follow-up to a Cox 2E box I've produced a few months back and have offered for sale. It's a work in progress and since I don't have an original box for reference, I'm utilizing poor quality internet images as a guide. Anyone willing to offer solid reference material is welcome. Images attached.

Joe

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[jmkunka]

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[Mbloes]

There is an unbuilt kit on ebay right now.  Kit is opened, box is in ok condition, but all of the parts are still under their blisters.  Current bid is for $550.

 

My question is, would you guys build this kit or would you just let it sit?

[MattD]

I no longer want anything that valuable setting in my closet. When I was younger it was OK, but getting older there is always the thought of what happens to it if I am gone, what if there is a breakin, fire, water damage. I do like looking at the mib kits, though. I had a Ford for several years back in the 90's but it finally got sold to a Ca collector with a big collection.

Final price will be interesting. That kit should easily go $1800-$2000. Possibly it could go $3000-$3500, but that kind of price was in the hayday of vintage slot cars and may be unrealistic in todays market.
The two built cars that sold yesterday were a lot cheaper than the cars that sold a couple weeks ago. I think the gold car went $600 or more back then. Yesterdays cars were as restorable as the gold car and went for about 2/3 the price. The current internet excitement about Gurney Fords may be dying down a little.
Always interesting to watch the final price of prime collectables.

[slotbaker]

There is an unbuilt kit on ebay right now.  Kit is opened, box is in ok condition, but all of the parts are still under their blisters.  Current bid is for $550.

 

My question is, would you guys build this kit or would you just let it sit?

Seeing as it's not a mint kit, I'd bid my limit with the intention of building it.

Having a nice, mint, built example is still pretty desirable in my mind.

[racie35]

Build it.....or you're saving it for someone else to enjoy down the road

[MattD]

I guess I'm too money conscious. I keep thinking I am spending $3000 to build a $600 car, that looks like a loss of $2000 or more. I can eat a lot of steak for $2000! But if you want to buy it and build it, go for it.
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[TSR]

A p;air of nicely put together original, unmolested cars with all real parts:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[racie35]

Those are nice TSR.

[TSR]

For the ones who would like to know how to paint the interior cockpit details, Cox painted theirs GOLD. But the real car had light-gray interior panels. Your choice...
Cox model shop also painted the drivers in the same colors as that of the Cucaracha driver, blue, white helmet, white belts. Again, it all depends on what you want to do, a replica of the factory models, or a replica of the real thing, knowing that the Cox model is a bit of a caricature with its low-rider stance.

[don.siegel]

One thing always struck me about this car: with all the nice wheels that Cox turned out, why did they use such ugly plain aluminum wheels on this one? 

 

Any thoughts Gentlemen? 

 

Don 

 

PS: I used the Ulrich Halibrands on mine, but it's got a repro body (from Rich in Canada...), so I'm not trying to recreate an original in any case. 

[TSR]

Don,
At the time the car came out, the only thing in mind of most slot racers in America was pure performance. Hence who cared about what the wheels look like as loge as there were those fat, soft spongies (now dried up like old cigars and eminently unusable...) it one could "punch the banking" with it....

[racie35]

They probably didn't have anything resembling a stock car steel wheel,and you could always use inserts.

[TSR]

On those wheels, no, you cannot. No insert would fit.

[Jairus]

Ulrich probably snubbed them anyway.

[TSR]

An alternative to Ulrich wheels are Unique stock car wheels, they look pretty cool too. But the least expensive way is to get Monogram or K&B "series 2" aluminum wheels (narrow front, wide rears) and stick a resin istocker" insert in them. This will allow for foam or silicone tires of decent width to handle all that NASCAR horsepower...     

[don.siegel]

I think both you guys are probably right anyway. 

 

Cox was mass producing those curved aluminum wheels (tho not sure when they were first released vs. the Gurney Ford) and probably figured it would be cheaper to fit those on the Ford, rather than tool up to make more special mag wheels. 

 

It's true they were more competition minded Philippe, but they also had a reputation to protect, so the Ford is still very nicely detailed, and it did have a hard body, not a vac-form. They were also releasing the regular 2E about that time, so Cox was still going as much for the scale crowd as the performance crowd... 

 

In short, we're (I'm...) probably over-thinking it: they offered what they could and had on hand...

 

Don 

 

PS: a side view of my Gurney, hopefully with the wheels. Notice that instead of Cool Dan, I have Eager Eddie behind the wheel - another non-stock item, at least until I put the regular interior back in there...

 

 

[MSwiss]

 
At the time the car came out, the only thing in mind of most slot racers in America was pure performance. 

I had the Gurney Ford as a kid and could only remember how disappointed I was with the performance.

 

I was probably spoiled by having a LaCucaracha first, and winning the first race I ever entered with it.

 

Also,at the time the Gurney hit, guys at my raceway were all starting to build up cars from Dynamic parts, maybe not a fair comparison.

[don.siegel]

Do you remember about when you got it Mike? 

 

It seems to have been announced in late 66 or early 67, but there were production problems and it probably came out in mid-67, maybe a bit earlier, based on what I can glean from the magazine ads & articles. 

 

Even in our remote corner of Chicago, we were mostly running scratchbuilds by then.... and even tho I was not in the vanguard, I remember thinking when Cox came out with the 2E and Ford stocker that they were a bit behind the times... 

 

Don