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#26 Steve Okeefe

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 04:55 PM

Next question(s) would be...

 

What is the vintage year, who is the manufacturer, and what is part number of the pickup guide in your photos?


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 05:42 PM

Steve,

it's the currently produced TSR guide available here: http://www.tsrfcars....bare-p-170.html

And also here: http://www.tsrfcars....-set-p-169.html

I hate the Scalextric and other home-racing cars sloppy guides so much that we made a mold of a better one, so that you can use real braid! You can see a typical installation here: http://www.tsrfcars....ide-install.htm

 

If you need some please let me know!  :)


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:08 PM

I look at those as closer to center post but I guess that's as good as I'm going to find.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:30 PM

Hi Philippe

 

Scanned Gold Cup leaflet

 

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Haven't uploaded before so hopefully it works OK

 

There is a 1/8" guide not mentioned on this list, but I have one in packet & hopefully there will be some details regarding the company, when I find it

 

Hobday Cycles no longer exists, but the phone number has only 5 digits indicating pre 1970 as a date

 

I bought the last of a Christchurch model shop's stock 7 or 8 years ago. The owner seemed to think the company was local

 

Up until the 1980s New Zealand had import restrictions so most slot car parts were made locally & there were quite a few manufacturers with 'Checkpoint' probably the best

 

Probably better to start a fresh thread for the rest

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

Peter,

Thanks for that. I do not see the guide listed there but the gears are. Since the guide is copied from the 1966 Cox model, one would assume that this happened between 1966 and 1970... so much for my Australian contact! :D


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:18 PM

Philippe

 

Guide is number 51 just above hand controllers

 

Going to my storage unit now to look for other parts

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:19 PM

Philippe

 

Most parts made here were straight rip-offs, Cox, Monogram, etc.

 

Will show some more items when found

 

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 08:21 PM

Peter, just in case you run across a sealed RSL kit of the Ford GT or Porsche 904, we need one each for the LASCM museum... :)


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 09:08 AM

Would an AJ's (Hong Kong) have a place here?

 

I don't know the year. It looks a lot like the Jet.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:16 AM

Bob,

 

It might.

 

What I need to determine whether ANY guide has a place here is some sort of documented information (ads, catalogs, product reviews, manufacturer's spec sheet, or the item itself in intact packaging, etc.).  Information that will establish:

 

1. Date first sold to the public - I try to pin this down to month and year.  Sometimes, as in the case of the Gold Cup guide, I have to make an educated guess.

 

2. Manufacturer or vendor's name - whose name was this item sold under, and if it's a "repackage" item, who was the original manufacturer or vendor?

 

3. Part number.

 

4. Any special or unusual background information - for example in the case of the Gold Cup guide, the fact that it is exclusively from New Zealand.

 

In addition to the info above, and what keeps this whole effort from being a simple line-item list (which would be a LOT easier to do, but also a LOT less interesting), I need a photo or a manufacturer/advertiser drawing of the item and (if possible) to have the item in my hands to measure and create a scale color drawing.

 

I welcome and truly appreciate input from everyone, but also must keep this from becoming a free-for-all.

 

So, got any good info on the AJ's guide?  :D  I have AJ's (Twinn-K) ads through May 1970 on file and unfortunately don't see anything.  If it's a lot like the Jet guide it probably dates to about that time (the middle of 1970) or later.

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:37 AM

No ad copy but I will post a picture of an NOS loose part.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:01 PM

I think that the AJ's Twinn-K guide was produced in the old SimCo mold, that was sold by Associated in the mid-1970s to Maury Wynn.


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:19 PM

I look at those as closer to center post but I guess that's as good as I'm going to find.

Hi Dennis:

 

Al Penrose told me of a modification of the TSRF guide that I have used with some success:

 

1. Thread the post

2. cut the post off as close as possible to the base and through drill it 1/16"

3. drill a 1/16" hole at the front of the guide between the braid slots.

4. use a high strength epoxy and a piece if 1/16" piano wire to refasten the post in a forward position.

 

Disclaimer - I have only used this on scale 1/32 cars with moderate "impact" potential

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 12:22 PM

Thanks Alan!

That works especially well if frontal space under the body is restricted. If you have space, simply trim off the frontal part of the blade and bingo, you have a trailing guide that is very effective.
 


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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:31 PM

I use this trick particularly for pre-1950 GP cars that often have very little space between the nose and the front axle.  In many of these cars, that distance is less than the front wheel/tire radius e.g.  12-15 mm.

 

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 11:44 PM

No ad copy but I will post a picture of an NOS loose part.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:05 AM

Cool, thanks for the photos, Bob!

 

That does definitely look like a Jet guide.  Now that I can see the color, I may be able to "fake" the drawing from an original Jet guide.

 

For the time being, I will go with Philippe's assessment regarding the date (mid 1970's).

 

Look for an update soon.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:15 AM

Steve,

I have trouble capturing true colors. This flag is not white like a Jet Flag but vanilla to a very light flesh color.

I don't think it is like a nylon material, more of a 'plastic' material.

 

Hope it helps, your efforts in recording and document our hobbys beloved little bits is much appreciated.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:01 AM

The SimCo mold had several cavities, I believe 8. Some of the guides were said to be better than others, where the blade had more taper, whatever. This is why there is a # 2 on that guide, it is simply one trimmed from the 8 that came out with each molding.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:06 AM

Yeah Right Philippe....
Mike Swiss or Hershman had us going on that subject with the Jet Flag years ago.
Not falling for that one again.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:17 AM

Hey, it's not impossible... while I never really checked for stuff like that in the day, apparently some were more "square" than others... and by the time mike Swiss was on top of the world, things had become a lot more precise than in my days.  :)


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:17 AM

The chart has been updated - again.

 

The Gold Cup guide has been moved back to 1967.

 

There is a new AJ's guide and Steube "UltraGuide" in a new 1970's section.

 

The Steube UltraGuide is almost certainly yet another variation on the Associated Jet guide.  It has horizontal ridges along both sides of the blade (ostensibly to hold the slot better) and was found in the 1971 Auto World catalog on page 175.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 11:21 AM

The Steube guide IS the Jet Flag under different packaging. :)


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:03 PM

NO DOUBT (ya think?), but you know good research practice requires I cannot ASSume that.  :laugh2:

 

Got one (in or out of the package)?  What does it say on top ("Steube", "Jet Flag", something else)?  What color is it?

 

Inquiring minds want to know....  :crazy:


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 04:35 PM

I've seen pictures of Steube Jet flags in the race reports with an unusual blade. Looking at the blade from the bottom it is narrowed at the front and rear. I ASSumed this was done by Steube before repackaging it. I seem to remember a reference to this in a Steube ad???


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