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#51 Gator Bob

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 05:11 PM

The SimCo mold had several cavities, I believe 8. Some of the guides were said to be better than others, where the blade had more taper, whatever. This is why there is a # 2 on that guide, it is simply one trimmed from the 8 that came out with each molding.

 

Those darn 'Racers' are always Looking for the Good Stuff.

 

"Dude ... you can't win with a #8 ... go see if you can get a #2 or #3 ... while I practice..... If there are none left come back and I can let one go for 10 bucks ... for you ;) .. I can do One for nine bucks" 


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 06:34 PM

Yeah, but worse than that... Swiss told us that the best Jet Flag was #6!

Had a lot of us digging through our boxes and checking cars for a day or more before we realized nobody had ever seen anything higher than #4.
I'm sure he got quite a laugh out of it.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:07 PM

Supposedly the "select number" flag had a straighter post than the others. I don't recall what that flag number actually was, but in the day, whatever number I put on a car worked. :)

 

Rick T., I thought the Steube guide had a ribbed blade too. I never bought any, I questioned the worth of its premium price.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:20 PM

Philippe & Steve

 

Image of 1/8" stem Gold Cup guide - confirms it existed

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Typical Gold Cup header card front & back

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Philippe

 

I have never seen any unbuilt RSL Action Time kits, just empty boxes - Porsche kit is item #H101

 

I have found a retail price list for Checkpoint who were probably the biggest distributor in New Zealand.

Can date to 1968 or at latest 1969 from the bodies they sold

Gold Cup guides & gears are also listed

 

Will gather my info together for Lightning, Gold Cup, Hurricane, RSL & Checkpoint & if possible start a new thread under vintage 1/32

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:34 PM

LOL... and this is only about guide flags.... wait till we get to the big stuff.

 

OK ... so on the Cox with the 'T' hook for the rubber-band I knew what to do. What are the protrusions with the little hole for?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:41 PM

Pete, thanks! One more little mystery resolved. :)

 

Robert,

There are Cox guides identical to these, in the Ford Galaxie kit if I recall correctly. The hole is for a pin that is bent in shape, then the rubber band is attached to the formed pin.

Gold Cup simply copied the design but used a post diameter using the metricobrit Martian system.  :)


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:44 PM

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Post diameter is .125 at bottom & .124 at top - slight taper for release from mold I guess

 

Checkpoint price list dated March 1969

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

Pete, thanks! One more little mystery resolved. :)

 

Robert,

There are Cox guides identical to these, in the Ford Galaxie kit if I recall correctly. The hole is for a pin that is bent in shape, then the rubber band is attached to the formed pin.

Gold Cup simply copied the design but used a post diameter using the metricobrit Martian system.  :)

I did know about and have the Cox ones ... but Never knew what the heck the were for. Thanks Dokk.

Pin like a straight (body) pin or a part with a Cox number?


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:24 PM

Can you add the "Okeefe" guide flag to the mix ?

I, for one, would like to see that trick re-posted.

We are going to need it soon...... :D


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:30 PM

Post diameter is .125 at bottom & .124 at top - slight taper for release from mold I guess

 

 

Pete,

just talking about the "3/16" of course. I have not seen and neither was offered some with the 1/8" post. Looks like their drill was more accurate for that one!  :laugh2:

 

Pin like a straight (body) pin or a part with a Cox number?

 

 

Straight pin. I think that it is illustrated on the Galaxie's assemby instruction sheet, to be verified.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 08:46 PM

Thanks Dokk. I never had or held a Cox Stocker. 

 

I've seen pictures of Steube Jet flags in the race reports with an unusual blade. Looking at the blade from the bottom it is narrowed at the front and rear. I ASSumed this was done by Steube before repackaging it. I seem to remember a reference to this in a Steube ad???

Rick, as in

narrowed (knife edged) on the leading edge and trailing edge... or

the bottom edge knocking off the 'points' at the 90 deg. ?

 

Or .... did I miss a picture? (no sarc.)  


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:03 PM

The second generation "Steube" Jet Flag had its blade sides with indentations designed to retain the car in the slot by grabbing against the slot sides when cornering.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:04 PM

Philippe

 

I have 3 with the 1/8" post - I have some duplicate packaged parts from NZ that I'll send you once I've sorted them out :)

 

You think they used a drill??? :shok:

 

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:10 PM

The Steube guide pictures in my minds eye are:

 

"narrowed (knife edged) on the leading edge and trailing edge"

"had its blade sides with indentations designed to retain the car"

 

My "minds eye" has often been less than 20-20 so when I get time I'll look for a picture :laugh2:


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:12 PM

LOL... and this is only about guide flags.... wait till we get to the big stuff.

 

Bob,

 

Good grief!  I was just thinking about that earlier today...

 

I'm working on a drop arm listing right now, and I think I need to make it really EASY to change around!


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:32 PM

You think they used a drill??? :shok:

 

 

To make the post hole in the mold insert cavities for the plastic to fill, there was little alternative then...  :)

Well, a drill or a small mill of course!  :D

But that's how it was done before more modern methods such as burning the metal with an electrode was invented.


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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:33 PM

Philippe & Steve

 

Found the 1/8" guide in packet - they've used the same part number 51??? :dash2:

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:34 PM

Those damned cheap kiwis... :D


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 10:01 AM

I think knife edging the guide is brilliant.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:34 PM

The Gold Cup #51 guide with 1/8" post has been added to the chart.

 

Based on the fact that we actually see it in a package, I'm wondering if the guide with the 1/8" post wasn't the *real* part number 51, and the guides with the .177" (4.5mm) post (which we do not see in packages) aren't some other, later part number...

 

Although I am not, other folks seem to be interested in pickup guides introduced after 1969.  So, I went downstairs to my secret hideout and dug out some 1970 and later guides I had hidden there.

 

What I found are repackaged Jet Flags and (congrats to Gator Bob) AJ's guides:

 

First, a yellow Jet Flag repackaged by Cobra:

 

Cobra 800 Jet Flag.jpg

 

Next, orange Jet Flags repackaged by REH:

 

REH 4052 Jet Flags.jpg

 

Last, off-white AJ's guides repackaged in what *might be* a Riggen header card.  I don't know who originally sold the orange AJ's guide (maybe AJ's?):

 

Riggen 4005 AJ's.jpg

 

Gator Bob: Is that orange guide the color AJ's guide you have?

 

For what it's worth, I also have a small ziplock bag of loose Jet Flags in both white and 5 other colors, and *not one* of them has a mold number higher than 4.

 

I found no Steube UltraGuides...  Somebody find or shoot some photos please!


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 04:15 PM

The only ones I have are on my old pro-racing surviving cars... :(

We may have some at the LASCM, I will have to check that.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:27 PM

Steve

 

I think you are right about the Gold Cup part number, the price list doesn't give a post size & the 1/8" post would have been first

 

So, no idea of a part number for the second iteration at this end

 

Cheers

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:29 PM

Makes sense to me!  :dance3:

 

Sorting these things out takes patience and perseverence... if you know anybody who's got some (patience and perseverence that is), ask them to share with the rest of us!  :laugh2:

 

Thanks, Peter!


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:18 PM

The Gold Cup #51 guide with 1/8" post has been added to the chart.

 

Based on the fact that we actually see it in a package, I'm wondering if the guide with the 1/8" post wasn't the *real* part number 51, and the guides with the .177" (4.5mm) post (which we do not see in packages) aren't some other, later part number...

 

Although I am not, other folks seem to be interested in pickup guides introduced after 1969.  So, I went downstairs to my secret hideout and dug out some 1970 and later guides I had hidden there.

 

What I found are repackaged Jet Flags and (congrats to Gator Bob) AJ's guides:

 

First, a yellow Jet Flag repackaged by Cobra:

 

attachicon.gifCobra 800 Jet Flag.jpg

 

Next, orange Jet Flags repackaged by REH:

 

attachicon.gifREH 4052 Jet Flags.jpg

 

Last, off-white AJ's guides repackaged in what *might be* a Riggen header card.  I don't know who originally sold the orange AJ's guide (maybe AJ's?):

 

attachicon.gifRiggen 4005 AJ's.jpg

 

Gator Bob: Is that orange guide the color AJ's guide you have?

 

For what it's worth, I also have a small ziplock bag of loose Jet Flags in both white and 5 other colors, and *not one* of them has a mold number higher than 4.

 

I found no Steube UltraGuides...  Somebody find or shoot some photos please!

Negative Steve .. the color in the pic. is 'not that far off.... Vanilla is the closest .. . Navajo White? ...with a touch of pink-ish. I'm pretty sure it would be the 'natural' color of that form of 'plastic'.

They were into orange for sure ..

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Posted 25 June 2013 - 01:13 PM

LLL-LLL-LLL-ETS GET READY FOR SORTING !!!!!

 

Steve, going out today.

 

Promised Steve I'd send him some guides for sorting, ID'ing, pic taking etc. Does not look it but there are close to 300 here. I still have more to dig.

 

 

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