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[don.siegel]

Bob, 

 

The motor you're asking about is the other Tradeship motor of this type, big, open-frame with 7-pole arm. One is the MX or MK77 and the other the MX or MK70, if i remember right. I have to look at the box each time! The bigger one has adjustable timing, speaking of time, and not this one... 

 

Don 

[Gator Bob]

Hi Don,

I recognize the Tradeship MK.

What is the one just below it?

[don.siegel]

They're both Tradeship Bob. The rounder one under the Dynocharger a bit to the left is the MK-70, with the adjustable timing. The one under that is the MX-77, also with 7 poles, and both are rated at 20k. Tradeship also made the MN-30, an inline motor with bracket, pretty similar to the Aristo-Craft models, with 5 poles, rated at 18k... photos at 11.... 

[SlotStox#53]

Looks like I will be entering  a few "Altered" cars then with wheel wells cut waaay up & enlarged  

 

Hopefully 2x Rails and steadily acquiring a few parts to make a concerted effort for one Exhibition "Unlimited" ... If I git 'R done and the idea works it's gonna be interesting

[BillB]

Bob,

The rules look good so far, have  1 question and  1 concern.

 

Will you require all cars to have a driver or interior card?

 

Vintage gears... large 64 pitch vintage pinion gears are hard to find. Or maybe I should ask if this rule applies to the exhibition cars as well?

[SlotStox#53]

Bill, are you talking about large pinions in terms of shaft size or teeth count? Would of thought modern 64 pitch R/C pinions would mesh ,come in large tooth counts & also a lot fit 1/8" shafts 

 

Additional question on the interiors Bob, with the re-tune of the "Inch Pincher" using  a Tamiya hard body, do I have to run the kit interior or can I just put in a vac formed one? Bearing in mind the RAM/Kemtron stands upright  

 

The Bug & other hard body cars will all be running in the Altered class

[BillB]

Paul,

 

I've been using the RC pinions for awhile and they work great with the Weldon's, just not sure they meet the rules.

 

Vac formed should be sufficient.

[SlotStox#53]

Ah I get ya Bill, thanks I've been working on the @ssumption that for the unlimited class in particular most things would be fine , as with the addition of neos & wheelie bars & being exhibition there isn't much left to put on the cars !  As long as it's padlock powered then it's all good.  But I'm sure Bob will be along to put me right if neccessary

[Gator Bob]

Wow, Thank you Don for identifying ... not what I expected a Tradeship MK-77 to look like, and thought would've looked more like its 70 brother.

 

The MK-70 is a happening to see with the 'skewed' mag plate and the very wide   range of timing choice. I have one with the 12v and 6v arms.

Now ...... I have a loose unused MK-77 here all along.  Nicely constructed motor!

 

Anyone 'round here mess around    ... or race  :to_become_senile:with the 20,000 RPM Tradeship motors?   

 

Dynamic makes a mount for the MK-70... would be an easy drag build-up.

[Gator Bob]

Bob,

The rules look good so far, have  1 question and  1 concern.

 

Will you require all cars to have a driver or interior card?

 

Vintage gears... large 64 pitch vintage pinion gears are hard to find. Or maybe I should ask if this rule applies to the exhibition cars as well?

 

Hi Bill, Good questions

Gears

Stock, Rods and Rails 1967 parts cut-off

Unlimited - any gears / any material / any pitch / any quantity.

Wheelstander - 48 or 64 pitch, modern or vintage.

 

Bill, are you talking about large pinions in terms of shaft size or teeth count? Would of thought modern 64 pitch R/C pinions would mesh ,come in large tooth counts & also a lot fit 1/8" shafts 

 

Additional question on the interiors Bob, with the re-tune of the "Inch Pincher" using  a Tamiya hard body, do I have to run the kit interior or can I just put in a vac formed one? Bearing in mind the RAM/Kemtron stands upright

 

The Bug & other hard body cars will all be running in the Altered class

Molded, vacformed or card with driver allowed, detail/finish in 3 colors min.

 

Paul,

 

I've been using the RC pinions for awhile and they work great with the Weldon's, just not sure they meet the rules.

 

Vac formed should be sufficient.

1/8" 64p R/C pinions allowed

 

Ah I get ya Bill, thanks I've been working on the @ssumption that for the unlimited class in particular most things would be fine , as with the addition of neos & wheelie bars & being exhibition there isn't much left to put on the cars !  As long as it's padlock powered then it's all good.  But I'm sure Bob will be along to put me right if neccessary

Unlimited

  Laminated Plate or Open Frame = Anything Goes.

The only thing that must be vintage is the motor frame/plates.

Frames or Plates can be modified. 

[hiline2]

I did a search while back on RC gears and I found lots of 48P but no 64P ? who is carrying those ?

[hiline2]

Ok, Ill answer my own question ! Did a new search and found: one source of 64p pinion gears !

 

http://www.rcplanet....n gear&dept=all

[BillB]

Paul,

 

Check Robinson Racing. Look under the 1/8" Pro Aluminum series for 64 pitch.

[BillB]

Hi Bob,

 

Okay on the gear concerns. Paul E hooked me up with a source for vintage pinions.

 

Minor typo on the event date.

[Gator Bob]

I updated the rules word document to reflect the above items discussed.

 

 

There has to more questions ...

 

Fixed the date   

[DVan]

Bob, are these the rules so far or are they set in stone? Should I start a page for this race?

 

  DVan

[Gator Bob]

Bob, are these the rules so far or are they set in stone? Should I start a page for this race?

 

  DVan

 

Hi DVan,

 

Not locked yet ... a few more questions/answers and I will start a new post with all the rules and procedures.

 

What's your thoughts on the rules or classes?

 

Thanks,

Bob

[DVan]

Bob I'm still digesting them. I'll let you know as soon I figure them out.

 

   DVan

[Gator Bob]

They must not be laid out right or easy to read.

 

This might be a little better. Any issues Any One please speak up.          

How about the classes?

 

"See Something, Say something" 

 

 

2^nd Annual “Rods” and “Rails” Vintage Drag Proxy

 

          General

• Race date is May 18, 2015
• Registration closes April 15, 2015
• Heads up racing. It's about the cars.
• Track voltage at 14.7.
• Scale 1000 ft. trap -
• Heavy glue shutdown
• Track braid depth is .010 
• All cars make passes both lanes
• ALL Vintage running gear and gears. 48p or 64p. modern pinion accepted.
• Modern or Vintage Guide flag blade portion must be black or have foil reflective tape on blade to prevent ‘No Time’ displayed or ‘Can’t Stage’ issues.
• Rear wheels and/or tires can be modern or vintage. Any compound allowed. Minimum Dia. of 1”.
• Stock Elim, Rods classes- Front Wheels and tires must be 67 or before vintage. Min Dia. – 7/8. No Min. width, O rings allowed.
• Rail class - Front Wheels and tires must be 67 or before vintage. Min Dia. – 3/4. No Min. width, O rings allowed.
• Front tires may not be more than 1/16^th off the race surface at the starting line.
• No weight rule.
• 3.25 maximum width
• 8 inch maximum overall length for “Rods”
• 11 inch maximum overall length for “Rails”
• Only laminated motors allowed, any mods - except no Neo or Cobalt magnets.
• Any chassis design or materials, We can't put the Genie back in the bottle ... it's been tried.
• No wheelie bars.
• Bodies - Reproduction or vintage - any hard body model, vacuum pulled clear, Styrene, or hand craft made (wood, tin, alum, plastic, brass, etc.).
• Vac formed Thingy bodies allowed in “Rods” as a Comp Coupe class car if under 8” maximum or “Rails” over 8” maximum  
• No modern Pro/Mod looking bodies regardless of year the concept was created from.
• “Rods” 1967 cut-off for components and OEM body style.
• Stock Class 1955 to 1967 hard body only.
• Car Model Technical Journal of Model Car Racing Volume #1 * is the component timestamp guide.
• $10.00 entry fee for the first car.  $7.50 for each car thereafter.
• All shipping charges to and from the event and any requested return insurance/customs costs are on the racer.
• Cars will be returned in original senders package. Please pack accordingly.
• Winners trophy can or or will be packed with care separately as not to damage the car. Shipping of the trophy will be at the winners expense outside of the lower US 48 states.
• Box plaque will be packed with the entries for the return trip. 

 

Stock 

• 1/24th and 1/25th scale model body (hardbody) only.
• Any  1955 to 1967 car that had a total production minimum of 500.
• Stock full street OEM trim only , no 3in1 kit type customizing.
• OE wheelwell radius and fender lip must be maintained at 80%
• Chassis - kit or scratch built.
• Stock Laminated or Open-Frame motors .
• No  - rewinds or de-winds,   added epoxy, tied comms, Neo or Cobalt mags, Cut down laminations or modified plates, no lighting of Bearing holders, no Ball Bearings. 
• May - change and modify brushes and springs, cut commutator, Swap arm, balance arm. 
• Must have full interior w/driver – Min. 3 colors req. Interior card with glued in driver allowed. Vacform acceptable.

“Rods”

• Will combine these classes with cars total length of 8” or less:

1. Sports 
2. Roadster 
3. Gas
4. Altered
5. Competition Coupe

• Stock or modified  Laminated or Open-Frame motors (No Neo or cobalt magnets)
• Must have full interior w/driver – Min. 3 colors req. Interior card with glued in driver allowed. Vacform acceptable.
• Open top cars must have a roll bar over driver.

 

“Rails”

• Stock or modified  Laminated or Open-Frame motors (No Neo or cobalt magnets)
• Total length = 8” Min and 11” Max.
• 3.25 wide
• Any chassis material
• Driver optional.
• Can you make it in the .9 second club ?

Exhibition Classes

• 'Unlimited'
• Stock or modified Padlock or Open frame motor, neo magnets, Wheelie Bars, parachute, multi motors .... etc.
• Any 1967 or before slot production Plate/Frame must be the platform. Modifications to the original set-up is unrestricted .  One off custom machined or hand made parts are allowed.
•  
• Low official E/T and High MPH Awards.

 

• 'Wheelstander'
• Motor can be Padlock, Open frame or Mabuchi 36D only,
• Wheeliebars allowed.
• Chassis – stamped or scratchbuilt.
• Cars must be on the front wheels at the starting line and must be on two wheels the whole length and at the finish line.
•  
• Low officially recorded E/T Award

 

[Gator Bob]

I got a good procedural question from a member.

Looking over the revised rules and curious why all the hot rods are grouped into one Rods Class. Will all sub-classes be competing against each other for the Rods Title?

 

 

That is how it is set up, If you look at the variants for the classes in Speed/ET as it was at Eddie's it made it an easy decision to combine.  

 

At this point I don't know how many will cars be signed up.

The way I set up the registration sheet it breaks out the classes separate which to me looked like different bodies on common or random motor/chassis combos.

 

If there are enough cars in any of the combined 'Rods' class we could have run-offs and 'Class winner' plaques. This can only be done based on declared class registered paid entries.  

 

The overall 'Rods' winner will have to be the quickest car because the owner may not be there to dial and drive.

 

If there is time for it we could do dial-in for fun and see where the consistency factor is.

[Samiam]

Bob

 

Your PM box is full.

[Gator Bob]

Thanks Sam.   

[Gator Bob]

New rules are posted here -> 2nd Annual "Rods and Rails"

[DVan]

Bob ok got the new rules on B500 now, one little typo I noticed and made a change.

 

 Date: Race date is May 16, 2014 <--- changed it to a 5   

 On the link page you have going now.

  DVan

[CoastalAngler1]

Man, that's a lot of different classes and rules.  That should cover everyone's vintage slot car worldwide  

No rice burner class?  ...hope the tech director has plenty of time.   

I better stick to 'dial and drive'...