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#1201 hiline2

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Posted 02 June 2015 - 06:20 PM

Thanks G-Bob,  I was wondering at first if my post had been lost ( I was having internet issues at same time I added that), sorry  I stuck it in wrong area. cant twist your arm on the lancer can I ?  :victory:  Is the Dubro fairly similar in size dimensions ? Maybe hold it for me and see if anyone out here in blog land might offer a Lancer up? ( I know their rare and I am kicking self for not snagging the one on ebay :wacko2: )


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Posted 05 June 2015 - 08:54 PM

Here is a lot with 'something different'. Is that a wind-up motor ... I'll be stuck with :crazy:  :laugh2:

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Posted 07 June 2015 - 09:44 AM

Does anyone recognize the motor shown above?


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Posted 13 July 2015 - 09:11 PM

So there is talk and even development of Monster and Multi Motor cars ....  "Dude, that's really heavy ..man, like let's do it just cause it's fun bro" ^_^

 

Who'z going 'Big' ?

 

In the mean time ... A good old car show and vintage drags keeps the nitro flowing. :D   That orange 33 :heat:

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Posted 13 July 2015 - 10:18 PM

If I have time I could go big or multi motor :shok: :ph34r:

Nothing definite though and just wild speculation in the team motorhome :laugh2:

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Posted 14 July 2015 - 08:39 AM

I'm definitely "going big". My first attempt is a Henry J. Hopefully will have a "multi" done as well. 


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Posted 15 July 2015 - 02:35 PM

I'll go big :good:

 

Dunno if it would be multiple inline open frames motors or a DC105A (or two), but I wanna play ,too :to_become_senile:

 

I have a 12" plastic toy school bus on the way, anxious to see what will fit in it.

 

It may be a bit narrow, but big meats stickin' out might look intimidating.

 

Between "luxury" on the bus and the spelling of school on the box, I got a good giggle.  :sarcastic_hand:

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted 15 July 2015 - 03:45 PM

Nice !    Keep the lighting ... please. :crazy:

 

"Hey... what the hell do you think your doing ... you can't pass a school bus with the red lights flashing" .. :D


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Posted 17 October 2015 - 08:05 AM

At long last a Pittman Boatmaster arrived at HQ and a DC95 will be in the mail system soon...

Didn't know what to expect from the boatmaster but it's soo cool :D

Have no clue what these are gonna end up in or any ideas right this minute but one may make it for the 3rd annual race :ph34r:

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Posted 17 October 2015 - 11:13 PM

Still working on Monster Motor stuff myself, it got back burnered for a bit. Got some huge-but-slow motors. Any pics, Paul??


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Posted 17 October 2015 - 11:24 PM

Hi David, I have a quick one I took of the boatmaster, it's not the best but will take a better one later :)

Had to take the front plate off to have a look inside. Massive 5 pole beast of an armature with long brush arms with the usual spring & plunger. Put it back so I couldn't be tempted to strip it down :laugh2:

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Posted 18 October 2015 - 08:42 AM

Very nice!!


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Posted 23 January 2016 - 03:03 PM

For all those who may have been wondering and or missing info on the Next Rods and Rails Race event you can check here!

http://dc-punk.freef...ails-3rd-annual

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 08:20 PM

 3rd annual "Rods & Rails"

11/26/2016

Stock Eliminator - Final Round

 

Wild rides!

We will get all the racing up on youtube.... every round w/ 3 video cameras and of course slow-mo too.

One upside down video clip is better than nothing.

 

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 03:42 AM

Hi everyone just posting my builds for the 4th rods & rails drag proxy.1st up is my rail w a ram 850 motor that has lost it's arm i've put the motor on a diet taking a bit of meat out of the end plates i've ground the top lams similar to how Gene Husting did in his r&c articles & took a bit of a cut on the bottom lams & reshaped them as they come back into the motor on arm end similar to a ram 857 & have either a ram 7 pole arm for the mpc dyna or a pittman 5 pole arm to try in it.I have a what i believe's a kemtron brass tube chassis w about a 8 1/2 in wheelbase that i have made a thin brass sheet body for i have hung a little 3 bar style cage off the rear axle the tires measure 10 mm x 34mm sponges on aluminum rims fronts measure 4mm x 28.5 on aluminum not sure what brand.I'm just at the point of mounting body painting driver & hopefully i will be right to run.My next car is for the stock 36d class running a royal bobcat motor (somthing tells me i should have built a Pontiac) in a scratch built sidewinder frame made out of 2mm solid brass with a couple of 4mm cross tubes for a little strength a tube drop arm with a hook stop 1/8 ball bearing rear with i think k&b rims & unique lemans tires.I've been a bit more slack on front w a 3mm axle plafit rims tires off a bantam altered kit & half some amt 12 spoke wheels inserted running no bearing.The ratio is 3 to 1 as the rules say & i'm putting an amt 62 t bird body on it i've got it sitting reasonable low with only some paint & detailing left to do (as long as the chassis passes tech fingers crossed) i will put up some more photos as i make progress.
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Posted 29 June 2017 - 08:00 AM

Very nice builds, Tom.

 

I particularly like the brass body on the rail.  :love:  

 

The new 36D class should be lotsa fun with everyone running to spec. It'll make for tight competition.

 

I'm behind on my builds this year with my recent move, but I'll catch up. :)

 

I built an "industrial strength" wheelie bar this year on my ridiculous monster motor class car, Fireball 95B. Last year the piano wire wheelie bar allowed the beast to "porpoise" down the track as the wimpy bar setup would repeatedly flex and springboard back as it deflected which would then allow the pickup braids to lose contact.

 

Also added some killer 12 AWG lead wires and will be adding a .016 aluminum sheet body along with a full set of aluminum screw fasteners to help reduce the one pound+ running weight. :shok:

 

Hopefully she cut sub one second runs this year!

 

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 08:21 AM

Wow, Pit Man, missed this one last year - a work of art. 

 

Ditto on the nice brass body Tom, and some good looking rails! 

 

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Posted 29 June 2017 - 09:43 PM

Hey pittman thanks your 95b beast looks cool is it the one on the proxy footage from last year thanks Don it's got a few ripples in the body but this thin gauge stuff is hard to work with the shrinker just shredded it.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:55 AM

Yup, that's the one Tom, the one arc welding the pickup braids and banging the rear of the chassis!

 

Here's a couple shots of the motor.

 

It started life as a Pittman DC95B, but all that's original now are the lamination stacks.

 

Inside is a 13 turn dbl wind R/C Venom Fireball arm (originally intended to run on 7.2 volts) and brush endbell. The end plates were machined from micarta on a Bridgeport mill, the clunky alnico magnet replaced with a N52 neodymium magnet and ball bearings on both ends. All said and done it is a REDICULOUSLY powerful motor! Quite a mix of 50's and modern tech parts.

 

This was the 3rd and most likely last of it's kind made. Hopefully the other owners will post shots of theirs, built with aluminum end plates.

 

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 11:38 AM

Did someone mention monster dc95 padlock motor with aluminum endplates? :D

Apparently the 7 turns single wire r/c arm = .063" = 7 turns of 14# wire :shok:

Still to make a car for this beast, sounds lethal under power.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 01:34 PM

Out of curiosity Pittman, how many teeth are on those outer gears/pinions running off the motor? :)    

 

Gonna have to work out a suitable ratio for mine considering I'm toying with an idea of putting this inline :shok: In the style of the 60's front engined rails. Time for 1/8 music wire rails :D

 

Any idea if the modern slot drag crown gears would hold up to the torque of this WMD?



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Posted 30 June 2017 - 02:06 PM

Hi Paul :bye:

 

The 4 big gears are all 62 tooth, one 39 tooth on a jackshaft meshes into one of those 62's, resulting in a 1.59:1 ratio.

 

Hopefully, modern crowns would take the torque, but the trick would be to build the motor mount/axle carrier just as rigid as possible.

 

I not sure which I'd use, Parma or the skinny toothed Sonic drag gears, I'd think the wider toothed Parma might be a bit tougher. The more I think about it, I'd bet on the Sonic going bye bye on the first launch.

 

The good old brass 2:1 K&B bevels may also be a good option.


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Posted 30 June 2017 - 05:05 PM

Ah, hadn't even thought about good old bevel gears! :D

2:1?? I gots a set of those off of the original Inch Pincher.. hmm..

Time for a bomb proof motor bracket/rear end.

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:22 PM

Hi guys i must say the workmanship on those motors is exceptional i'm very impressed & they sound like they are absolute monsters.
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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:37 PM

Geez Paul, if you run that 95 as an inliner, you might have to put an out rigger on the side from torqing over on itself!!

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Posted 30 June 2017 - 09:58 PM

Geez Paul, if you run that 95 as an inliner, you might have to put an out rigger on the side from torqing over on itself!!
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I know! That's what I'm worried about. But sidewinders (obviously) are the way to go, just wanna see *if* it will work inline :laugh2:

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 12:37 AM

Time to get a few builds/rebuilds hopefully done in time & with what parts I have on hand.

Love that original Dubro shell :D

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 03:34 AM

Looks great Paul.

Hope that arrow on the motor isn't referring to the motor direction.

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 09:47 AM

Looks great Paul.
Hope that arrow on the motor isn't referring to the motor direction.
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I was wondering that myself and can't remember :laugh2: :shok: hopped the motor up a while back with a view to building this and it sat in the box...

Can always flip it, just gotta get a power supply again to confirm.

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Posted 04 July 2017 - 11:18 AM

A 9V battery might work as well.


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Posted 04 July 2017 - 12:59 PM

A 9V battery might work as well.


Yep, this is true Bill, thanks :)

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Posted 09 July 2017 - 04:51 AM

Hi guys well here is some photos of the 36d stocker t bird finished painted in tamiya black the car except for adding a little more weight to the drop arm is ready to run.
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Posted 23 July 2017 - 11:12 PM

 2016 BIG36D class cars

 

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 12:03 AM

Some procedure questions answered:

 

Q- Would I be able to drive any of these great cars?

A- Yes you can, just not your own car. We pick drivers from a hat, if you pick your own throw it back and pick again

 

Q-What tires work best on the track? Silicone, German Rubber, soft, hard............???

A- See Rule - Silicones are Not Allowed. Old german rubber works good as does modern rubber if your car is balanced right. Make sure you have modern graphite guide flags on your cars. Parma or Slick7

 

Q- Will the tree be set for both lanes to leave at the same time or will it depend on driver reaction time?

A- It's all about the cars. My motto here is "The Cars are the Stars" Drivers drive the cars off the light but reaction time or red lights don't matter. It is all about the ET and MPH any given car can run.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 03:53 PM

Looking for input on a 'ruling' from the community.

 

If the current rule reads:

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“Big 36D”
Run what you brung.
Mabuchi FT-36D set-ups only.
Maximum wheelbase of 11”.

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Would a motor like this appear to be in compliance?

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Or should the rule have been:

 

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“Big 36D”
Run what you brung.
Mabuchi FT-36D set-up only.
Maximum wheelbase of 11”.

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My response to the question of legality was:

 

So... as a rule challenger My-Self and re-reading the simple rule.

It does Not say Single Endbell, Commutator or Stacks Only.

 

That would make it a "Legal Alien" in the BIG 36D class.

Under One condition - You must run it EBD ... LOL

 

Thanks for any input.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 04:02 PM

Seems to me that should be perfectly legal! How can you resist seeing one of those run? 

 

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 04:04 PM

Can I help with some input? ;)

It is a *BIG* 36D, genuine Mabuchi 36D setup/parts just 36DD size :D

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 04:15 PM

Can I help with some input? ;)

It is a *BIG* 36D, genuine Mabuchi 36D setup/parts just 36DD size :D

 

Yes but only members of DC-Punk can see that size...LOL

 

Seems to me that should be perfectly legal! How can you resist seeing one of those run? 

 

Don 

 

So True as it sure will be a " BigFun Factor" entry.

But ... there also was questioning of if the Exhibition classes of Unlimited or Multi-Motor might be a better fit. 


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 08:41 PM

Well wouldnt really be a 72DD ? :laugh2:  :shok:  :crazy:


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 10:34 PM

I think it's fine either way.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 10:55 PM

I think it's fine either way.

 

DC, you mean as long as PE switches the crown gear over. :scratch_one-s_head: :laugh2:


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 08:44 AM

Huh?? I really meant it could go in either class. It is such a neat piece of work we gotta have it somewhere.

 

BTW, how fast did the 36d cars go last year? The BIG ones?


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:11 AM

It's double endbell drive. it can fit 'fine either way'. That was the joke. :)

 

Here are the results

 

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:24 AM

Remember the unlimited/multi motor classes were or stipulate padlock tech ie. Laminations ..

Not worried what class it fits in, imagine it'd be fairer to run in big 36D ??

To me that class is essentially 36D **unlimited** :)

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 09:32 AM

I missed the joke, too early in the morning here...so if "big 36d" cars are allowed wheelie bars (ugh) is there an overall length max?


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:22 AM

:D Today is 7/26/17.. my 13th 'Re-Birthday' notworthy.gif ... so pardon... I'm off the 'Rails'  :good:

Not a member of the GOGS...(Grumpy Old Gits Society) as they would say on slotforum.  

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DC, wake up that humor, and for me... it's early in the morning here too. Scottwax1.gif

 

There is no 'big36d' class .... only Big36DTM  doh.gif

 

On the wheeliebar length .. No Rule .. Run what you brung ...

Limit = what ever the distance is from the staring line to the backboard where the computer is. :shok:  But, clear.png then the car will not be able to 'light'em up' in the bleach box.clear.png  :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:32 AM

Remember the unlimited/multi motor classes were or stipulate padlock tech ie. Laminations ..

Not worried what class it fits in, imagine it'd be fairer to run in big 36D ??

To me that class is essentially 36D **unlimited** :)

 

Of course I do ..

It'll be fairer for you to 'see my tail lights' :clapping:

 

Not unlimited ... maybe '2' Unlimited. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no ,no ,no, no there's no limit


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 03:01 PM

Can I help with some input? ;)

It is a *BIG* 36D, genuine Mabuchi 36D setup/parts just 36DD size :D

 

PE, I know you're a Punk and you might have heard this before but I will show No Mercy notworthy.gif  building my Big36D motor.  

I only need to make 'one pass' then ka-boom  :sun_bespectacled:


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Posted 26 July 2017 - 04:01 PM

Don't worry Bob, build away and no mercy shall be expected or given. Still have some of the #24 around :D

Like you said, just needs to hold together :laugh2:

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 10:13 PM

 

This was the 3rd and most likely last of it's kind made. Hopefully the other owners will post shots of theirs, built with aluminum end plates.

 

 

 

 

 

I...Got ...The ...Other .... One.   na na na Na nan a :blum:

 

Mine is 'R' rated and the picture wouldn't last five seconds on here. I'll see if I can clean her off and post a pic.. If not expect a powered by Pitt Man car to show up in tech.

 

THANKS BoB.

 

BTW, I still didn't put power to it... :scare:


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