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Posted 28 February 2015 - 09:59 PM

That rail with Tink at the wheel looks very menacing :D

The Fiat is definitely a handful!! Would a change in ratio tame that 4 volt screamer?




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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:11 PM

"I'm tellin ya" ... that Mr. Fiat "don't look scared" in the far lane. :bb:

 

He might need vintage rubber and 'get up on the wheel speed'

My feelings wouldn't be hurt if it smoked the whole way down, it would make for a regular "cacklefest" with the drivers and the fans in the stands.  :laugh2:  :laugh2:   :laugh2:    :sarcastic_hand:   


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 11:31 AM

The testing was done on a 1000 foot strip, but at 16 volts.

 

Another cure for the Fiat may be to figure out an extension to the frame and rebuild it as a rail. 

 

I sure hate to keep adding weight when a bit of leverage may do the trick.

 

I'll get it figured out one way or another. :dash2:


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:35 PM

Reminds me I've got to try and set up my Carrera track straights and hook up the car charger/battery for a quick test! :laugh2:

Or if I get a chance route some wood for a hastily prepared strip ...must try these cars this year, can't stand the anxiety of not knowing what any of the designs are gonna do! :shok:

Out of curiosity will the 64 pitch pinions like Weldun & modern R/C ones normally used for sidewinder mesh & run with modern inline drag crowns?

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:33 PM

My guess is yes they would, Paul.

 

BUT, according to the rules a modern crown is not allowed, only pinions.

 

I may be wrong, but I don't recall 64 pitch crowns in the old days, only spurs

 

I'm using a narrowed Robinson R/C pinion with a Weldun spur on my rail and it's silky smooth. I took about a 1/16" off the back side of it to help narrow down the overall width to help maintain the 3 1/4" max width.

 

 

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:40 PM

Yeah I remember the modern crowns are a no go for the main Rods n Rails but thought they could be a go in the "unlimited" class.

The way i read it all that's required is the original lams from a padlock or side plates from an open cage motor.

Gears/drive train are open?

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:49 PM

Good point, Paul.

 

Being an "exhibition" class, I would think nearly anything goes.

 

I'm sure our Master of Drag will set us right. :D


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:53 PM

You're right Bob, I'm sure Mr Gator will be along to put uus on the right track!

Just wanted to make sure they were legal & the fact they'd mesh with modern r/c or other 64 pitch sidewinder pinions .

Answers could well determine what armature goes in that dc65 :D :ph34r:

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:55 PM

Paul, What Bob said....

 

64 pitch is 64 pitch in pinions, spurs or crowns. IIRC the vintage beveled sets are 64p (or some metric non-equivalent) :sarcastic_hand:  

 ... you could make an anglewinder using 'half'a set'.. :)

 

.... all that's required is the original lams from a padlock or side plates from an open cage motor.

 

 

You got it! :good:


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 02:58 PM

Awesome sauce! Thanks :good:

Sorts out a bunch of design details on the unlimited chassis and armature :D

Although throws a whole bunch of decisions to make :laugh2:

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:28 PM

Straight axle 56/57 cars video ... maybe some images for the gas class plaques.

Too cool not to share. :)

http://youtu.be/KMwzMOZRXs0?t=2m11s


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Posted 02 March 2015 - 10:34 PM

Holy smokes those 2 cars are SWEET! Such a cool look!!

 

Kinda similar bouncing like your Valiant :D  Thanks for sharing Bob.



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Posted 03 March 2015 - 04:15 PM

Oh yeaaahh, :clapping:

 

Looks like I may have the solution for my wheelstanding Fiat. 

 

In my box of Manta Ray's old drag racing goodies, I found what I believe to be Russkit drag rails, properly sized for the smaller Kemtron-KTM padlocks. No rear end, so I'll need to use the current Tradeship.

 

I'll have to fab up a drop arm and straighten out a few minor bends, but how cool, it's even the correct color to match the body. I'm thrilled to put Ray's old treasure to good use. :love:

 

I'm a bit puzzled, this frame does not match up to the frame on LASCM's site.

 

Did Russkit make two different frames, as in large and small padlocks?

 

 

 

 

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Posted 03 March 2015 - 04:26 PM

Great find & news Bob :D

Don't know if Russkit made different versions, but that definitely looks like an Eliminator frame to me .

That thing with the extra length/leverage and that 4 volt banshee is gonna be a tough competitor!

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Posted 03 March 2015 - 04:36 PM

No, Russkit only made the one version of this chassis as far as I know (except the prototype, without holes...), but those mounting holes are oblong, so could probably handle the 85 or 65 size motors - and I've got one with a 65 mounted in there. Just looked at mine in the blister, and it's exactly like yours! 

 

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Posted 03 March 2015 - 04:54 PM

Very cool, that car is going to be a rocket.


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Posted 03 March 2015 - 05:40 PM

I have a couple Eliminators with obvious differences. I can show pics. Bob, I made up a drop arm for one, I can show pics if you like. 

 

Oh, and you must paint " Blew by you " on the side  :)


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Posted 03 March 2015 - 11:18 PM

Hey guys,

 

I went back to the LASCM and looked again. My rails DO match the ones in their blister pack, but the picture on the Russkit box does not match what's inside!

 

These rails will mount a DC65 but would require very minor filing of the slot lengths to fit an 85 size motor.

 

Lone Wolf, pics, pics, pics, I love pics and what a great idea for naming the car :good:


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 04:05 AM

How about "Blue Ray"?


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 04:13 AM

"Blue Ray"  I really like it Johnny :victory:

 

What the heck you doing up so late my friend? Get in bed before I have to paddle you :laugh2:

 

It's lunch time at work for me.


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 05:05 AM

Tired of winter! Went to bed at 9:30, then woke up at 2:30. Best time, no distractions, just readying cars for the Tom Thumb R/4 retro race next week. Taking out Ray's last race box for raffle. Also a neat pantograph engraver that the track owner is buying. Actually got my Gasser out was was contemplating zapping it. I have a Trick Track big double pole zapper and gauss meter. Can u send me a pic of the right way to zap these rascals? 65a-6


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 05:57 AM

Best I can do is this shot of Rick Thigpen's Carlisle zapper.

 

Appears to be a DC85A padlock about to be reborn, I would think the 65 would be pretty much the same.

 

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Posted 04 March 2015 - 09:15 AM

Ok, here is some additional info just to confuse the situation more.

 

Here is a side by side. Notice the fewer holes in the rails, no extra holes in the rear bracket and darker color on the rail to the rear.

 

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Here is an underside showing top to bottom, the drop arm I made, a long factory drop arm that came on the darker rail with less holes ( first issue? ) and a short drop arm that goes with the loose rails shown.

 

DSC06073.JPG

 

 

Here is how I made a drop arm quite a few years ago. I'm sure you machinist guys can come up with something more fancy. I wanted to stay within what was generally available at the time. In retrospect I would have made it 1/2" shorter as it can contact the axle, I'll get a round to it some day  :)

 

 

DSC06074.JPG

 

 

 

As an interesting resto note, these things take huge oilites in the rear that are somewhat scarce. I've shown a pic of these. You can find them in those hideous Unique chassis that used the circuit board frame rails. I've never seen them used anywhere else but these two cars. 

 


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 10:33 AM

Great info and pics, Joe. Thank you for posting these shots.

 

The darker frame with less holes looks like the picture on the Russkit box.

 

Good job on the period correct drop arm, too. :good:


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Posted 04 March 2015 - 11:36 AM

Wow nice duo of Russkit rails Joe :good:

Thought the K&B one was awesome, the more I see the Eliminator. .. I wants one! :laugh2:

Nice touch on the drop arm, looks like kemtron parts?





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