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#101 rvec

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Posted 06 November 2015 - 08:51 AM

Rich, I have built and raced this same exact body ('67 Chevy, look at earlier posts and pix) in our H&R Hard Body class and copied your brass pans, which have been added to all of my cars- they work great! I soldered mine directly to the sides of the H&R chassis. I enjoy racing this car, even with it's long length and heavy weight. It may not compete with the smaller and better handling "race car" bodies, but it does well when racing against other street cars.  I added decals to make mine look more like a Vintage Nascar, hoping that some more racers will decorate their street cars into Nascars.


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Posted 09 November 2015 - 10:59 AM

It was a busy Sunday at The Race Place hosting the "Three Track" points series race series.  After a dizzying three class all day race event, only a few were left standing for Hardbody.  But what a good, clean race it was.  Here is this weeks results...

 

1  Andy Sr                                  Lotus 30

2  Charles Schlottfeld                 Porsche 962 (Yellow)

3  Max Mohring                          Olds 88

4  Chuck Malave                        Porsche 962 (Orange)

5  Will Dee                                 Ford Capri GR5

 

 

 

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Posted 11 November 2015 - 09:43 PM

Rich- I like the group of cars you  are racing. I really enjoyed the older brass ProTrack chassis, and like the new aluminum issue they now offer.


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Posted 12 November 2015 - 08:49 AM

Rich- I like the group of cars you are racing. I really enjoyed the older brass ProTrack chassis, and like the new aluminum issue they now offer.


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I am glad hard body racing is alive and well in the Northeast. As you may have gathered from reading prior posts, we have two tracks in Roseburg. My track is Electron Raceway and Bob's track is Spare Time Raceway (STR).

At Electron we run only True Scale GT1/Group C, True Scale Trans-AM and TA2 (modern Trans-Am), True Scale Can-Am, True Scale Gran Sport and True Scale Sports car. These classes all use the Scholer chassis. To see images of the track see the link http://slotblog.net/...pictorial-tour/ located in the sub forum of Electron Raceway entitled Specs and Pictorial Tour. Images of the classes we run is shown in the sub forum Electron Raceway classes. See the link http://slotblog.net/...aceway-classes/ and select the class of interest

At STR we run True Scale GT1/Group C (Scholer chassis), many classes using brass and wire custom chassis and two ProTrack classes. Images of the track and classes are buried in the sub forum entitled STR race reports. See the link and select the pinned thread http://slotblog.net/...r-race-reports/

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Posted 16 November 2015 - 12:38 PM

If it's one class I look forward to racing all week, it's Hardbody. The racing only gets better.  The Hardbody Challenge class has some new cars in the process of being built and should back up and running in two weeks.  It was good to have Dave Demott back after a 3 month hiatus with his new red Lotus 30. Here are this weeks results...

 

1  Charles Schlottfeld                    Yellow Porsche 962

2  Max Mohring                             Olds 88

3  Dave Demott                             Red Lotus 30

4  Andy Sr                                     Green Lotus 30

5  Chuck Malave                           Orange Porsche 962

6  Will Davis                                  Ford Capri GR5

7  Carl Paterson                            Blue Ford Fairlane

 

The race place will be hosting the Garden State ISRA races next Sunday and will probably affect the normal Hardbody schedule.  Please call ahead to check status.  Back to normal for the following weeks race on November 29th.

 

 

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 11:39 AM

i got some new rides on the bench awaiting time! december has only 1 series race and a month break from flexi car rebuilds so we should see some new product soon  :crazy:  :crazy:  :dash2:  :laugh2:  :crazy:  :crazy:  :clapping:


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Posted 21 November 2015 - 09:52 PM

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Posted 21 November 2015 - 11:51 PM

Lumina?


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Posted 22 November 2015 - 07:40 AM

Buick?


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Posted 22 November 2015 - 08:36 AM

James is correct. It is a Chevy Lumina. It appears that the kit is a Monogram Days of Thunder (DOT) Lumina. Look closely at the box. See the yellow er upside down. It matches the box art. Also, see the directions - Decals are Hardees #18 - also matches DOT kit. Check out the link http://randyayersmod...71441d297617b45 for images of a great build of this model kit

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Posted 23 November 2015 - 12:44 PM

Joe, Kurt and I have been tossing around the idea of running a NASCAR Hardbody class on the tri-oval at The Race Place.  Stay tuned for some R&D....


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Posted 23 November 2015 - 04:42 PM

Yes thats the kit rich sorry guys i been pretty sick and trying to work and post not doing such a good job at it haha


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Posted 26 November 2015 - 04:48 PM

i have already built a Hardbody Nascar using the recent aluminum ProTrack chassis. Can't find my pix on my pc right now but I know I have shown it to a few of you guys at TRP. Will have it next time I race. Maybe this Sunday...... 


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:04 AM

Alright all. After reading all of these posts, me and the boy will do our best to make it sunday. I maybe bringing out the new car, but i promise to race the truck. I am going to try that stage 1 tuneup to see if i can get the thing to run better than 7.6.  Now, can i bring a trailer and run it behind the truck?

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:12 AM

Found this body at my parents house last weekend. Trying to find a way to make it work on a current chassis, but will require lots of effort. I have to rebuild the wing that is missing but the rest of the body is mostly there. I know the body says Dino on it, but I am still trying to id it so that it may fit into the rules for sunday hardbody at TRP......

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:15 AM

Hey Joe, I think that NASCAR needs some custom vinyl to jazz it up. Let me know and keep it in mind. I am working on layered vinyl number sets, just have to work out the format.


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:21 AM

Alright all. After reading all of these posts, me and the boy will do our best to make it sunday. I maybe bringing out the new car, but i promise to race the truck. I am going to try that stage 1 tuneup to see if i can get the thing to run better than 7.6.  Now, can i bring a trailer and run it behind the truck?


You will find that the Stage I Tuning works quite well. We have used it successfully since the early 2000s. Below is an image of my Stage 2 ProTrack NASCAR and my ProTrack "Vintage NASCAR" work in progress. The T-Bird made a successful maiden voyage winning the last ProTrack NASCAR race. I was just lucky. James' Stage II T-Bird was quicker. Below are images of James' ride and the grid for the ProTrack NASCAR race. I hope to finish the 57 before the next Vintage NASCAR race on 12/7. Stay tuned
 


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:36 AM

Hey Chris, that's a Ferrari Dino.  Years of manufacture are 1968 to 1976.  Totally a cool car and it fits our rules nicely.


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 10:44 AM

Found this body at my parents house last weekend. Trying to find a way to make it work on a current chassis, but will require lots of effort. I have to rebuild the wing that is missing but the rest of the body is mostly there. I know the body says Dino on it, but I am still trying to id it so that it may fit into the rules for sunday hardbody at TRP......


I could be one of three models. First Bluetank 1/28 scale see the link https://www.rareburg...fp-IEAITO5ZO6GR

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Or a 1/24 Fujimi see the link http://www.amazon.co...e/dp/B002BWPLXQ

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Or an airfix see the link http://www.vintage-a...ino-p-1032.html
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These cars were really small so the model must be very short and narrow

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 12:48 PM

That bluetank kit looks alot like the model. Thanks all, i mean that model is at least 25 years old.

Now i just need to figure out a way to mount it since it has really curved sides. But the body is wide and a short wheel base. It will not even fit the same chassis as the trans am.

I will make it work. 


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 01:28 PM

That Dino was also produced as a 1/24th Nitto kit.

 

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 01:33 PM

That is the kit!  You are the man. Now i really feel old.


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Posted 27 November 2015 - 02:33 PM

That Dino was also produced as a 1/24th Nitto kit.
 
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James,
Looks like you nailed it. The decal set is the same as in the photo by Chris

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Posted 27 November 2015 - 03:46 PM

I have seen these kits offered on Ebay, but they get bid up to more than I am willing to pay. :nea:


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Posted 28 November 2015 - 09:52 AM

Hope to see you sunday glenn! we miss you!!!! 


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Posted 28 November 2015 - 10:23 AM

Joe,
How are your new builds coming? I see you are also working on an Enzo. This car is quite popular in our GT1 class because it is cheap and in snaptight form very easy to build.

Here are a few images of our grid at the last race at STR and a few of the last race at Electron - many Enzo
 


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 10:12 AM

Sundays Hardbody race was a blast !  There were some new fast lap times and lap totals (even though we only ran 6 lanes this week).  It was good to have Jerome from the Tri-State HO club racing with us again.  Here are this weeks results...

 

1  Max Mohring                Porsche 962

2  Joe Emm                      Porsche 911

3  Andy Sr                        Olds 88

4  Kurt Mansfield              Cobra

5  Chris Wendel                K5 Blazer

6  Carl Paterson               Ford Fairlane

7  Charlie Schlottfeld        Capri GR5

8  Jerome Burwell            Lotus 30

9  Alex Wendel                 Petty Plymouth

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Posted 01 December 2015 - 08:26 AM

That was a good race and the finish was in proper fashion. the race car over the production car


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 10:34 AM

Seems like a great turn out. Can't wait to get back and race with you guys. See you guys soon

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Posted 03 December 2015 - 11:19 PM

Hope to see you sunday glenn! we miss you!!!! 

miss you guys too. I have had a cold/flu for the past 3 weeks which turned into a sinus infection, and getting better now due to an rx. have my slot car are finally set up in my basement so I can get back to racing soon  :) 


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 09:02 AM

Hats off to Jerry Herbert, The Race Place owner.  He manages the race, marshals and controls track calls all at the same time.  Congrats to Charlie for taking the win and Will has figured out that slower is faster and its paying off with a second place finish.  Here is this weeks results...

 

1  Charlie Schlottfeld            Porsche 962

2  Will Davis                          Lotus 30

3  Kurt Mansfield                  Cobra

4  Max Mohring                    Olds 88

5  Carl Paterson                   Ford Fairlane

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Posted 08 December 2015 - 09:15 AM

On behalf of The Race Place I would like to send best wishes and a speedy recovery to fellow racer and friend Chuck Malave who is having back surgery today.  We hope to see you back on track soon!


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Posted 15 December 2015 - 05:45 PM

It was a long Sunday at The Race Place....  Hardbody followed our monthly "Three Track" series points races.  After an easy seven hours of racing it was time for some red-eyed Hardbody.  Here are this weeks results...

 

1  Charlie Schlottfeld           Porsche 962

2  Will Davis                         Lotus 30

3  Curt Mansfield                 Cobra

4  Max Mohring                   Capri GR5

5  Carl Paterson                  Porsche 911

6  Andy Sr                           Olds 88

 

 

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Posted 21 December 2015 - 05:34 PM

I enjoy seeing the progression of a class.  Better cars, better driving skills, better lap times and lap totals.  The Porsche 962 bodied car defiantly is the one to beat.  A 6.80 fast lap and 199 lap total set the track record for the class.  Will and the Lotus 30 showed a fast lap at 6.5,  it left our jaws wide open, however a "rider" was the reason.  Hats off to Charlie who was capable of going 7.19 with a 5 inch long wheelbase Olds 88 sedan :good:!  Great racing...  Thanks to all the guys that show up every week, its always a good time.

Here are this weeks results...

 

1  Max Mohring              Porsche 962

2  Will Davis                   Lotus 30

3  Kurt Mansfield           Cobra

4  Charlie Schlottfeld     Olds 88

5  Carl Paterson            Ford Fairlane

 

 

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Posted 25 December 2015 - 05:55 PM

Merry Christmas to all of my fellow Hardbody racers everywhere. I have unpacked all of my 1/24 scale Hardbody cars and parts, cold/flu/sinus infection is finally gone (!), and I am looking forward to racing again soon.

 

Chris- please post when the next race at The Race Place will be. I will do my best to be there. It's time to break out the vintage Tamiya bodied Lola T70 and get my challenge car(s) built. Getting bodies lined up for new building projects.  :)


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Posted 25 December 2015 - 06:55 PM

Hardbody racing is every Sunday at The Race Place!!! Open practice at 5,race at 6.pm. Hardbody Challenge follows right after. Come on back Glen! We will be racing this Sunday.
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Posted 25 December 2015 - 09:00 PM

Merry Christmas to all of my fellow Hardbody racers everywhere. I have unpacked all of my 1/24 scale Hardbody cars and parts, cold/flu/sinus infection is finally gone (!), and I am looking forward to racing again soon.
 
Chris- please post when the next race at The Race Place will be. I will do my best to be there. It's time to break out the vintage Tamiya bodied Lola T70 and get my challenge car(s) built. Getting bodies lined up for new building projects.  :)


Good Luck Glen - the Porsche looks like a winner!

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 09:52 AM

The holidays brought together a great group of racers this Sunday for some Hardbody racing.  It was nice to see Glen and the Hardy boys back.  Allen was there for his first Hardbody race with his new cherry red Mustang.  And biggest surprise was Chuck back after some major back surgery.  It really did feel like Christmas!   Kurt was sporting a new build and Chris took first place with a well refined IROC Z Camaro.  Good friends and good times.  A big thanks to Jerry Herber for giving us a great facility to race at.  It has been a great year of racing, looking forward to 2016.

 

Here are this weeks results...

 

1  Chris Wendel                  IROC Camaro

2  Glen O.                           Porsche

3  Max Mohring                  Olds 88

4  Chuck Malave                Orange Porsche 962

5  Kurt Mansfield                Purple ?

6  Carl Paterson                 Ford Fairlane

7  Alex Wendel                   Petty Plymouth

8  Alan S.                           Ford Mustang

9  Dave Hardy                    Mercury/Dodge?

10 Chuck Hardy                 White Toyota/Mazda?

 

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 11:54 AM

Chris and Glen,
It appears that only you two are using static brass side pans. My experience is that these definitely improve performance and make the car much more stable and easy to drive. What do you think?

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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:15 PM

Dave Hardy was racing a 1977 Mustang, and yes, Dad Chuck (we can all call him Uncle Chuck!) ran a Toyota.

 

As for the static brass pans, i have been experimenting with them on some of my cars, and i have removed all lead weights from  the inside of the chassis. I prefer the performance with the static brass pans. I had a talk about this with Max after the race, and he is building much lighter cars without the brass pans and very little lead weights inside the chassis. And yes, his cars are very light, fast, and handle well. So next race we plan to swap each other's cars for track testing, compare notes, and go from there.  I am ready to take my cars to the next performance level. With this class of cars, it comes down to basic slot car chassis tuning (everything level and square, remove all binding), mounting the body LOW, tune the chassis with weights based on the size, weight, and type of body, experiment with sizes and brands of tires, and keep improving your car's lap times. a 9 second car can be tuned to run in the mid 7 second lap range easily. As Max says, it's a lot of little things (tuning), and it all adds up in the end. Some of it i already know, and some skills i will learn.

 

   Oh yeah, i having a BLAST racing these hardbody cars!  More Vintage Stockers and Hot Rods to come  :) 


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Posted 28 December 2015 - 08:25 PM

Dave Hardy was racing a 1977 Mustang, and yes, Dad Chuck (we can all call him Uncle Chuck!) ran a Toyota.
 
As for the static brass pans, i have been experimenting with them on some of my cars, and i have removed all lead weights from  the inside of the chassis. I prefer the performance with the static brass pans. I had a talk about this with Max after the race, and he is building much lighter cars without the brass pans and very little lead weights inside the chassis. And yes, his cars are very light, fast, and handle well. So next race we plan to swap each other's cars for track testing, compare notes, and go from there.  I am ready to take my cars to the next performance level. With this class of cars, it comes down to basic slot car chassis tuning (everything level and square, remove all binding), mounting the body LOW, tune the chassis with weights based on the size, weight, and type of body, experiment with sizes and brands of tires, and keep improving your car's lap times. a 9 second car can be tuned to run in the mid 7 second lap range easily. As Max says, it's a lot of little things (tuning), and it all adds up in the end. Some of it i already know, and some skills i will learn.
 
   Oh yeah, i having a BLAST racing these hardbody cars!  More Vintage Stockers and Hot Rods to come  :)

We are racing on very tight tracks. STR has inner corners at only 8 inch radius. My track, Electron Raceway has inside corners at 12 inch radius. Also straights are very short. This track configuration lends itself to handling at the expense of some top end. The .062 brass static pans seem to be the answer. For longer tracks .031 inch pans might work better but I simply don't know. It will be interesting to see you and Max swap rides and please post impressions. My son lives only about an hour from you guys. I might just build a car for him. When he was younger we raced flexi cars and later on some hard body rides (son is nearing 40 years old - that tells you about how old I am)

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 02:26 PM

Yeha i feel that the tuning on our track is going to be worldsdifferent then your track out west. we have long straights and big sweeper turns. you have tight tight tight. so what we do and what you do will likely be way different. 

I like to tune with gear ratio.  if you cna change pinion try dropping it to keep the motor wound out and use a smaller spur thus allowing for lower axle and smaller tire and over all better turning.  maybe be able to take some of the lead out rich!


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Posted 29 December 2015 - 03:46 PM

Yeha i feel that the tuning on our track is going to be worldsdifferent then your track out west. we have long straights and big sweeper turns. you have tight tight tight. so what we do and what you do will likely be way different. 
I like to tune with gear ratio.  if you cna change pinion try dropping it to keep the motor wound out and use a smaller spur thus allowing for lower axle and smaller tire and over all better turning.  maybe be able to take some of the lead out rich!


Most classes we run 5 to 1 ratio. What are you guys using?

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Posted 29 December 2015 - 05:53 PM

Rich, our rules only allow a 9 tooth pinion and depending on tire size we are anywhere between 3.5 and 3.0.  That's with a JK 25k motor in a H&R chassis.


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Posted 29 December 2015 - 06:39 PM

Rich, our rules only allow a 9 tooth pinion and depending on tire size we are anywhere between 3.5 and 3.0.  That's with a JK 25k motor in a H&R chassis.


That gearing is tall, however, I am not familiar with the JK25k motor. We are using deathstars or Proslot sealed 16d motors in most classes. The exception is the GT1 class that uses Hawk or Falcon 7 motors

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 04:41 PM

Ran the static pans on the same chassis using the K5 and the 85 Camaro. The static pans helped the K5 and gained me .2-.3s per lap. The pans made the camaro super consistent but the car just lugged off the corners, made the car a momentum racer and it was hard to adjust in traffic and keep the lap times. I am already running a 9/31 and a 32 gear needs to be sanded to fit.


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Posted 30 December 2015 - 04:45 PM

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Alright, found these gems and need to decide which to use. The mercedes will fit without a problem but I may IMSA the porsche 944. Let me know what you all think.


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Posted 30 December 2015 - 04:59 PM

The Mercedes looks cool but the wheel wells on the Porsche look more accommodating.


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Posted 30 December 2015 - 05:08 PM

porsche is narrower and would look like chucks green import you mounted. I think i need to make a full mod out of the porsche.


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Posted 30 December 2015 - 07:52 PM

Ran the static pans on the same chassis using the K5 and the 85 Camaro. The static pans helped the K5 and gained me .2-.3s per lap. The pans made the camaro super consistent but the car just lugged off the corners, made the car a momentum racer and it was hard to adjust in traffic and keep the lap times. I am already running a 9/31 and a 32 gear needs to be sanded to fit.


Chris,
What is the K5? Perhaps the Camaro is much heavier also check for clearance issues. Maybe the body is rubbing on the wheels.

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