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#101 Michael Rigsby

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 05:47 PM

I would hope that GRRR would stay a stand alone IRRA affiliated retro series if at all possible.


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 05:57 PM

Mike, I agree with you.  I hope that GRRR stays as a stand alone series.


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 06:07 PM

Is there a page for GRRR? I still don't know exactly what I'm looking at with that series. And it's landlocked behind Florida state lines?

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 06:10 PM

It is the Florida retro series, run by me and grant Gorner. Florida based only. IRRA retro rules. We run at all the tracks in Florida.

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 06:29 PM

It is the Florida retro series, run by me and grant Gorner. Florida based only. IRRA retro rules. We run at all the tracks in Florida.


Got it.

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Posted 03 October 2015 - 07:48 PM

GRRR = Gator Region Retro Racing (I think).

 

The GRRR folder is located under IRRA racing here on Slotblog.


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 08:03 PM

JUST IDEAS:

 

NOVICE COMPETE FOR ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!

 

CLASS#1 - JK RTR INDY CAR

THE SAME RULES

 

CLASS#2 - 4" NASCAR

ANY STEEL STAMPED FLEXY CHASSIS

MOTOR: JK RETRO ONLY

INTERIOR: PLASTIC 3D OR PAPER

FRONT WHEELS OR STICKERS

BODY: NO CHANGE

CLEARANCE OF 0.625

 

CLASS#3 - GTP

ANY STEEL STAMPED FLEXY CHASSIS

MOTORS: JK HAWK 6 OR HAWK 7

FRONT WHEELS OR STICKERS

INTERIOR: ANY

BODY: ANY GTP

 

ONLY THREE CLASSES, MORE COMPETITIVE E LESS EXPENSES!


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 08:06 PM

I think combining retro and flexi into a single series can only benefit both sides. Like i said 22 grrr and myseries races combined last yr. Tracks should be relying on local racing to keep doors open not an over saturated schedule that kills weekly racing because nobody stays home to support it. Shortly there after it kills state racing because nobody can afford it. Just my opinion. Can only build retro racing up. Charlie and Casey didn't have Canams at the first Outlaw race but they do now. Just an example... just an opinion... Long state season schedules are good for nobody. 11 and 11 last yr...


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 09:10 PM

Marcus, I urge you to get with Bill and Greg and setup a meeting. Include Ed if he is interested in My Series. What was done in the past was a Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday evening meeting. It fit into peoples work schedule better. But this meeting could be any mutual agreed time.


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 09:14 PM

Yeah, but for those of us that retro race only now, you are talking about cutting down on our events that we can race at, and not one raceway in the state has a weekly retro program going like some other areas do.  So instead of getting to race my retro cars that I build maybe once a month, we are talking about maybe five or six times a year and then it will be mixed with flexi racing.  And for those of us who don't travel out of state to race, it's almost not worth even keeping a retro program...other than driving to Holly Hill every other weekend I'm off just to play with stuff I built and no organized retro races to go to.

 

I'm in the process of building a second Can Am Plus, and have the stuff to start building a couple of retro stockers, but if GRRR is going to be merged with a flexi racing organization and have less races, where does that leave me and racers like me.  I didn't make the decision to drop flexi and go strictly retro overnight, have been working on this for well over a year, now I have to cut back retro?  I mean the fields may be small, but it's fun racing, and it's not like I haven't built cars for people or don't have cars to loan out.

 

If the prevailing flexi series is OSS and it wins out, hey that's fine, because they race one IRRA rules Can Am class, but what about the other retro classes?  I would like to see GRRR stand on it's own to keep its program going and expand to three classes per race day.


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 09:52 PM

Doc:

That's a great proposal.  I haven't really taken lot of time to throughly think it all through but I'm liking what I see.  We might be able to get Ralph to bend a little on the OSS GTPs (maybe Hawk 7's only?) and we'd really have something there.  I do think that GRRR should stand alone but even though the Flexi and Retro races would be separate events the rules would all be the same.

 

The whole Southeast under a single (well actually two) great set of rules, WOW!!!


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 10:12 PM

Jay, thank you for the positive comments. I will see you in one week at P1.


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Posted 03 October 2015 - 11:32 PM

H6, H7, RH...that's 3 motor programs.  And another car (indy).  really? holding onto .062?  same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

 

The new mozetti chassis should be a refreshing twist to jk everything.  If it is fast - that is worth an extra car to me, with a retro hawk motor in it.

 

In outlaw, you could add another class by changing the can-am body to coupe body?  Or slap a GT-1/LMP body on a flexi for another?  Everyone would have to build (brass) or kinda build (flexi) and actually drive a car instead of spending lots of money chasing horsepower. The retro guys are wise guys.


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 01:50 AM

H6, H7, RH...that's 3 motor programs.  And another car (indy).  really? holding onto .062?  same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

 

The new mozetti chassis should be a refreshing twist to jk everything.  If it is fast - that is worth an extra car to me, with a retro hawk motor in it.

 

In outlaw, you could add another class by changing the can-am body to coupe body?  Or slap a GT-1/LMP body on a flexi for another?  Everyone would have to build (brass) or kinda build (flexi) and actually drive a car instead of spending lots of money chasing horsepower. The retro guys are wise guys.

But what about F1 in retro?  What about Can Am Plus?  What about 4 1/2" stock car?  I for one like racing F1 and OSS has not run it.  Does that mean that if GRRR and OSS decide to combine that F1 will go into hiatus?

 

You guys are talking about changing flexi racing, that's all well and good as it has needed changing for awhile.  But now it looks like it's also going to affect retro as we know it in Florida, and we'll have to take a wait and see attitude to see how retro will emerge from all this.  Out of the frying pan and into the fire as far as trying to find a stable racing group to race with as more than half the cars in my box don't have a class to run in under OSS retro rules (single class at this point).

 

And if you look, most IRRA racing groups have a monthly racing event.  Retro guys in Cali have monthly events.  I would hate to see GRRR scale back racing anymore than what it already is.


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 05:08 AM

If we did decide to run adjacent with the flexi series Which ever one we we chose we would still have a Grrr event like we do now on the months they don't race.
So we would run retro every month. There is nothing that says if we run with the series we would only run can am. No reason 2 classes could not be run. In grrr we are doing nothing until the flexi dust settles. All the discussion here should be to make a cheaper flexi series to get more people racing.

If there's an outlaw race and a grrr race the same month would retro guys go to both? It might be too much racing. I don't think I could do both myself.

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 05:48 AM

Thank you, Tony.  I just didn't want to see the number of retro races diminish. Coinciding with a flexi series some months would work if they ran two retro classes.  As far as making two retro races a month, it might be do-able for me, providing I was off both days, which I'm not usually lucky at that happening.

 

I'll take what I can get.  Would love to keep the retro racing once a month, at least then I have a chance to change my days off or put in for a vacation day. I'm trying to arrange my schedule now so I can make all the GRRR dates for the rest of the year if I can.


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 07:27 AM

So, so glad to see a spirit of compromise in the air.  

 

The other day when I read of Sano Dave's passing it really made me think about a lot of things.  I never met Dave.  I only knew of him through what I read on message boards.  But I gather that he really enjoyed racing slot cars -- like a lot of us.  And he did it as long as he could.  Godspeed, Sano Dave!

 

We all only get so many laps, so to get crazy and argue about how to play with our toy cars is kind of pointless.  It shouldn't be too hard to figure this out if everyone will flex just a little.

 

My .02 to the various powers-that-be

 

NASCAR -- the classes are already very close.  Take the FLA16D out (which is certainly yesterday's technology)  of the Series and I think the only difference is front wheels and opening up the body list.  To me, it ain't worth arguing about and will take me about 2 seconds to unsolder a front wheel retainer.  Y'all know I like pretty cars, so I'd love to see an interior in a NASCAR.  And a lot of the paper ones (like Durl's) look better than some plastic ones, but it'd be cool to have something.

 

GTP -- I think a GTP should be a little faster than a NASCAR.  I hope Jay Guard is right and Ralph would accept Jay's tweak to Doc's and Marcus' suggestion and use just the Hawk 7.  Then you'll have a slightly faster car and still use a motor that's just $13.  It would be great way to repair a class that we screwed up the motor rules on years ago.  I suggest that the Series GIVE everybody that ran at least one GTP race last year a Hawk 7 to make the transition easier. 

 

I hope the various powers-that-be would go along.  This would get the two Flexi classes on the same page for the entire Southeast!!

 

 

 

 


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 07:50 AM

If we did decide to run adjacent with the flexi series Which ever one we we chose we would still have a Grrr event like we do now on the months they don't race.
So we would run retro every month. There is nothing that says if we run with the series we would only run can am. No reason 2 classes could not be run. In grrr we are doing nothing until the flexi dust settles. All the discussion here should be to make a cheaper flexi series to get more people racing.

If there's an outlaw race and a grrr race the same month would retro guys go to both? It might be too much racing. I don't think I could do both myself.

 

 

Thank you, Tony.  I just didn't want to see the number of retro races diminish. Coinciding with a flexi series some months would work if they ran two retro classes.  As far as making two retro races a month, it might be do-able for me, providing I was off both days, which I'm not usually lucky at that happening.

 

I'll take what I can get.  Would love to keep the retro racing once a month, at least then I have a chance to change my days off or put in for a vacation day. I'm trying to arrange my schedule now so I can make all the GRRR dates for the rest of the year if I can.

 

 

Just throwing out a schedule idea .....

 

Take four months - once at each Florida raceway - and designate them as OSS events.  NASCAR, GTP, and Can Am.  Those months could combine the two existing series and should be huge events with guys able to come from all over the Southeast.

 

Other months can still have independent Flexi races and GRRR races.  The Flexi Series could run NASCAR, GTP, and another class or two.  Either Indy cars or GT1/LMP or Group F.  Whatever the owners decide.  And GRRR could run their existing programs.  Just like now, guys could go to one or both.

 

 

 

Nobody has to go to every event.  But more events gives me flexibility.  If there are only five events and I have to work on two of those dates, then I only get to race three times.  But if there are eight events scheduled, then I still have six other opportunities to race.


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 07:53 AM

Don't worry no matter what happens the number of retro races will not diminish.
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Posted 04 October 2015 - 08:42 AM

Can you say, forecasting?  Any one ever do the math with scenarios of how many racers vs. how many races vs. how many classes vs. how many raceways vs. how many months/weeks?  Let's see...F1, can-am, coupe, can-am plus, can opener-pro...nascar, GT-1 monopop, GTP, GPF, GP12 (oops, jk indy monopop- monopoly lolipop).  As many classes as racers should tell you something.  Combining is gonna be tough.  Retro guys are wiser guys, they already fixed many of the issues arising in this discussion.  I do like kiwi-strawberry flavored drinks, though.  What if that is all you're allowed to drink for the whole day of racing? I know somebody that won't show without their iced tea...LOL.  Flexi dust?  We need Pixie dust.

 

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Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:34 AM

Rollin that is very close to what i was thinking with the schedule. Almost everyone has a can-am at this point and it would be great to pair it with flexi racing in some capacity. The racers that don't have them can see what the cam-am racing is all about. Then every other month retro guys do their thing and flexi guys do theirs. The guys that do both either chose one or other. Guess they could do both then we talking $$ and no time for local racing again but i don't see too many doing both. Another idea if it stays 2 series on same month is 2 day format with flexi saturday and retro sunday. Kind of cancels fuel out with hotel but gives an extra weekend to support local racing, which is the key to this whole thing. 

 

All those ideas with the rules are so much better than where they currently sit so i can't argue with improvement. Personally id like to see interiors also. Bumper rules on bodies is another grey area and a headache for new racers when they have a body rub. Hell i can barely mount and get them right half the time. The idea with the lower rear height was to make it cleaner racing and give tires you already have that 1 extra last life. I have no preference here even though i do love cleaner racing. Front wheels? well stickers look better and are cheaper. I have lots of front wheels and no stickers currently but that is my honest opinion. 

 

Those are the current differences based on the similar motor rules. Nothing serious, the bumper rule being the biggest one.. I can't say the idea with slightly faster gtp motors isn't a little appealing. Little faster and something you can buy built or build but still for very very cheap. Still adds cost but many already have them. New racers still have to chose gtp or nascar but at least its much cheaper. I know the mini proslot motor is another similar motor to this?

 

Whether we make the rules exact to their rules or not, Ralph has expressed that if its called Outlaw the rules need to line up with what he has there. Name wise Outlaw sounds waaay better than MY SERIES but if anyone has invested in any tattoos or just likes the name MY SERIES better then i understand. I'm sure next year will bring tweaks and new ideas for Outlaw as well i just don't know what.  


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 09:50 AM

When will Florida have a big race like other regions?  

 

We should pick a date to invite Outlaws (or in-laws) to Florida, and figure what it takes to get them down here.  No king track but we got fast competitors.

 

TonyP's agent could arrange a table and set times for autograph signings and selfies?   :prankster2:  

 

A free motor is not exciting...give something to new racers who join in.  Develop incentives for new racers.  Raise entry fees, eliminate race bucks.  Make a super cool lane card (treasury) and give to each racer.  Sprinkle a heavy dose of pixie dust and settle this soon.  I will volunteer time to set up sponsors and help promote Florida slot racing.  Slot car manufacturers are not the only companies wanting to be seen.  Besides, I doubt their marketing budgets have much in them.

 

We're gonna need banners for participating tracks, posters, and a website...this is 2015.  Soon it's 2016.


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 11:02 AM

Rollin that is very close to what i was thinking with the schedule. Almost everyone has a can-am at this point and it would be great to pair it with flexi racing in some capacity. The racers that don't have them can see what the cam-am racing is all about. Then every other month retro guys do their thing and flexi guys do theirs. The guys that do both either chose one or other. Guess they could do both then we talking $$ and no time for local racing again but i don't see too many doing both. Another idea if it stays 2 series on same month is 2 day format with flexi saturday and retro sunday. Kind of cancels fuel out with hotel but gives an extra weekend to support local racing, which is the key to this whole thing. 

 

All those ideas with the rules are so much better than where they currently sit so i can't argue with improvement. Personally id like to see interiors also. Bumper rules on bodies is another grey area and a headache for new racers when they have a body rub. Hell i can barely mount and get them right half the time. The idea with the lower rear height was to make it cleaner racing and give tires you already have that 1 extra last life. I have no preference here even though i do love cleaner racing. Front wheels? well stickers look better and are cheaper. I have lots of front wheels and no stickers currently but that is my honest opinion. 

 

Those are the current differences based on the similar motor rules. Nothing serious, the bumper rule being the biggest one.. I can't say the idea with slightly faster gtp motors isn't a little appealing. Little faster and something you can buy built or build but still for very very cheap. Still adds cost but many already have them. New racers still have to chose gtp or nascar but at least its much cheaper. I know the mini proslot motor is another similar motor to this?

 

Whether we make the rules exact to their rules or not, Ralph has expressed that if its called Outlaw the rules need to line up with what he has there. Name wise Outlaw sounds waaay better than MY SERIES but if anyone has invested in any tattoos or just likes the name MY SERIES better then i understand. I'm sure next year will bring tweaks and new ideas for Outlaw as well i just don't know what.  

 

Y'all fight it out over bumpers and chassis clearance.  I'm not sure I'd race or not race based on those two items.

 

I don't know where the fine line is between a gear getting into the racing surface and being okay.  The Retro guys run .050 and things seem to be okay.  Could be a problem with faster cars where the braid is close to the racing surface.  Not as much of an issue on tracks with recessed braid.  I'd just hate to see a track get messed up.  I remember a race at Bill's when he was in Cocoa and someone's gear had gone across the braid in the donut like a buzz saw.  Big delay while a long section of braid had to be replaced.

 

I was just supporting Jay Guard's tweak to Doc's and Marcus' proposal that would take built motors out of the equation entirely since that seems important to some people.    And, I agree with you that a slightly faster GTP is appealing.  Makes sense to me.   No difference in cost to the racer between a Hawk Retro and a Hawk 7. And Hawk 7's come in a lot RTR's.       Funny how times change.  I remember not too long ago when a LOT of racers railed against not being able to build their own motors.  They'd never travel to a race where they couldn't run motors they built themselves.  If the Pro Slot you mentioned is the little piece of junk that we tried at an Enduro race a couple of years ago .... no thanks.  DZ was there.  What a turd of a motor --- unless it's been improved dramatically.

 

And we're talking about next year.  So it would be a little disappointing to learn that Ralph isn't open to a no-additional-cost motor change that I think a lot of people would agree with youand me would make the GTP class even better.  Especially when there's a chance to bring so many people together.

 

As for the name .... blame Greg.   :D   I ain't gonna lie .... it's felt strange typing that in race results for nine years. 


Rollin Isbell
 


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Posted 04 October 2015 - 02:58 PM

How would adding the Hawk 7 to OSS series be a no addiontal cost change? That means now you have to have 2 motor programs, maybe I'm missing something? With the same motor GTP is faster then Nascar strictly because of the body.

Why not run Nascar, GTP, Can Am and F1 with a local track option of either the JK Indy or Group F once the main program is over. Run bi monthly starting in January. OSS will run big monthly here on the months you aren't running. We can meet in November at the Viper Pit for a Nats race. No racing in December.

Retro Hawks only. One motor for all the scale and retro classes. Cheap, easy and fun.
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Posted 04 October 2015 - 03:00 PM

Rh for all classes. Makes the most sense.
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