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[Wizard Of Iz]

Danny Zona, on 02 Oct 2015 - 04:33 AM, said:

Appreciate it, Arne.

I obviously don't agree with some of these racers.

But, they are slot car addicts like me. Who are passionate about our hobby.

That means they love it like I do. Which might be a little insane. Lol.

Damn Slot addicts!!!

We're all definitely insane..

I'd still eat lunch with these guys. Just no Krystal's or bbq beans for DZ.

[tonyp]

I don't run in my series. I'd like to once in awhile but it's confusing to and outsider. Too many classes. Too many motors and too many races spread out over too many miles. I don't think it's a geek friendly series for someone to get into. The jk f1 is a good start. When you guys figure it out and everyone agrees I see what class is economical and might be fun to run with you guys.

[Biscuit]

Just wanted to share some good news here. Been in contact with a former Tampa area racer from back in the day Donald Caron looking to get a slot program back going over at Ed's track. Got himself a Outisight gtp body and Kelly chassis and contacted me about painting up the body for him. He didn't mention anything about purchasing a motor. Seeing this as perfect timing with the discussion here, i asked his opinion if he would be more interested in a gtp class with a $60 motor or a $13 motor that he could also compete with in nascar.

 

I hate to say it but the answer is so obvious he will wonder why I even asked. 

 

Before it gets brought up about retro hawks in nascar,.. Some places retro hawk isn't faster than fl16d. Ed's track has an oval and it has already been proven the fl16d is faster on Greg's oval. So now you need 2 sets of motors for nascar to be fastest on both styles of tracks. More $$$$

[Biscuit]

Losing Jax will hurt more than you think. You have to appeal to a whole new set of racers looking to get into racing and still make happy the ones you already have. Most of the racers we already have seem willing to adapt the new easy set of rules that is also far more cost efficient. The ones that made these current rules in the first place will most likely never understand. 

[DOCinCanton]

First of all, the Hawk 6 BD motor for GTP racing is $51, not $60.

 

Versus the $13 motor, the raceway will need to pull in 4 times the number of racers to make out even. My Series averaged 9 entries in GTP this year. Therefore, My Series will need to have 36 entries.  Realistically, I don't see 36 racers showing up.

 

Taking into account the entry fee ($10), the raceway will need to pull in about 2 1/2 times as many entries or 24 entries. 24 entries was the maximum number of entries in the last 5 years. It was at Jacksonville in 4" NASCAR with about 15 entries (or more) being local Jax guys due to Rollin's awesome weekly racing program. 

 

Just stating some facts.

[DOCinCanton]

The people who are responsible for the current rules are the directors of My Series. These directors are the raceway owners. Over the last 5 years to the best of my knowledge, its Greg, Bill, Rollin, Marcus, Kenny, and Mike.

[DOCinCanton]

How about a demo race. Outlaw rules at Melbourne (dont tell Bill that I offered up his location) 2nd saturday in December. 12/12/2015.

 

Maybe October 17 or 31 would be better.

[Wizard Of Iz]

I was hoping that the remaining owners would let Ed host an Indy Car and Enduro event on The Fastest Hillclimb in the South.  I would think that it would be up and running in time to host a race.

 

Of course ...... that's me presuming that Ed would want to host an event.

[CoastalAngler1]

Holly hell Tuesday night outlaw nascar flexi. Come beat up on the rookie. Capt Bob, Hurley, Chris, Nathan are already in...

[Half Fast]

Hmmm.. a race series run by track owners requires a lot of differing relatively expensive motors. Who'd a thunk it!

 

Cheers

[Michael Jr.]

Guess this is more Florida race family business but.... If these series are desired by the racers, have no fear for they won't die.
Introduce a series that's cheaper and easier and simply push the concept that it's for more novice racers. Something for everyone.
I'm a big advocate of market driven racing. Any series lives by the folks will be supported by them. Don't press them to race anything else just to support a track or the hobby. Once that happens one foot is already out if the door.....in my opinion which is very unqualified. I'm just a voice.

[Michael Jr.]

I landed in Tampa and I'm just here tonight if any Florida guys are around and want a burger.

[Biscuit]

Based on those facts Doc no money saved on motors is spent at the slot car track. I would imagine a budget is a budget money will still be spent elsewhere on parts and race fees. If your concept is breaking the bank on that 1 gtp motor is the way to save a tracks doors from closing we are obviously on completely opposite sides of the fence here. 9 entry average in a class that averaged over 20 for years?? Probably 7 away from jax. My question is who turn marshals lol???

[Biscuit]

Each track sold 2 motors? Lets go ahead and say 3 based on those numbers. I know obviously more were sold since it takes 3 to find a good one but still...

[DOCinCanton]

Obviously, there is no compromise from the opposing view here. So, I have given this situation alot of thought and propose the following compromise solution. This proposal takes into account that in Florida, we have a successful GRRR series for retro cars, thanks to Marty, Tony, and Grant.

 

Car class #1: JK RTR Indy car

    Broken down for novice and expert drivers; we can run as two separate races or together. Novice drivers compete for their own podium and driver points.

    Rules have been published.

 

Car class #2: 4" Nascar

   Any steel stamped flexi chassis

   JK Retro Hawk motors only

   Novice/expert drivers

   body rules ?

 

Car class #3: LMP

   Any steel stamped flexi chassis

   JK Retro Hawk motors only

   Novice/expert drivers

   body rules?

 

Car class #4: GTP

   Any steel stamped flexi chassis

   Retro Hawk, Hawk 6, Hawk 7 motors only

   Body rules ?

 

Car class #5: Group F wing cars

   Retro Hawk, Hawk 6, Hawk 7 motors only

   Group 12 bodies only

  

The Outlaw scheme is between classes 2 and 3. Just change the body and you can race again.  There is something for everybody.

 

I got some of the above ideas from Matt Boman last night.

 

The result would be the built Hawk 6 motors with BD arms is gone. Also Group 12 is gone.

[CoastalAngler1]

Fastest hillclimb in the south is almost ready. Braid done, all wiring pulled, power testing Sunday.

The new west coast track is going outlaw in January! They do not want to inventory a bunch of expensive motors, and want to keep simple for the folks near them waiting for the hillclimb. The big dogs do however make a great drag car motor...

[Michael Jr.]

CoastalAngler1, on 03 Oct 2015 - 3:13 PM, said:

Fastest hillclimb in the south is almost ready. Braid done, all wiring pulled, power testing Sunday.

The new west coast track is going outlaw in January! They do not want to inventory a bunch of expensive motors, and want to keep simple for the folks near them waiting for the hillclimb. The big dogs do however make a great drag car motor...

Fastest hill climb eh..... Is that a challenge? Lol

[Michael Jr.]

Docincocoa, that's a proposal for MySeries or GRRR? Just curious as a reader.

[tonyp]

Nothing to do with grrr

[tonyp]

We are deciding if we are going to stay as a stand alone retro series of become a part of one of the flexi series in an attempt to help build racing in fla. no decision will be made on grrr' part until we weigh the plus and minus of the series both my series and outlaw.

[Danny Zona]

Michael Cannon Jr, on 03 Oct 2015 - 6:36 PM, said:

Fastest hill climb eh..... Is that a challenge? Lol

Super fast!

[Danny Zona]

tonyp, on 03 Oct 2015 - 7:13 PM, said:

We are deciding if we are going to stay as a stand alone retro series of become a part of one of the flexi series in an attempt to help build racing in fla. no decision will be made on grrr' part until we weigh the plus and minus of the series both my series and outlaw.

Love the idea.

[Michael Jr.]

I like the rules you posted. Wouldn't mind being a destination track unless that messes up the FL focus.
If it does I'll just steal them and run it here. Lol

[Michael Jr.]

Danny Zona, on 03 Oct 2015 - 7:45 PM, said:

Super fast!

Time for a fastest track challenge.
Maybe we tack the average time on all lanes for three races?
Need a trophy of course.
And a sticker! Gotta have one of those.

[DOCinCanton]

The proposal in post #90 is for My Series only.