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[MSwiss]

Obviously, body clips.

[Half Fast]

How were the bodies mounted to the chassis in the above examples?

 

I would surmise with JK body clips

 

Cheers

[Ralph Thorne]

 

I would surmise with JK body clips

 

Cheers

 

Correct.

[Zippity]

After reading some comments posted yesterday decrying the use of body clips, I was having some doubts.

[Pablo]

The only people who don't believe in body clips are those who don't know how to modify them for racing.

[swodem]

I'm one of those people

[MSwiss]

The only people who don't believe in body clips are those who don't know how to modify them for racing.

Sorry, not a true statement.

If they were a superior way to mount a body, the uber Eurosport racers, like the Czechs, would be using them.

I'm 99.9999% sure they could figure out, or find out, how to modify them. Lol

[Pablo]

It is a true statement. I was very careful in wording it

Notice I didn't say "The only people who don't use body clips......"

I said "The only people who don't believe in body clips......".

My point being, some people prefer pins, some prefer clips.

I never said it was a "superior way". I'm not that dumb or short sighted (I hope )

Both methods can work well when done properly, and both methods can fail miserably when done wrong.

Can we agree on that ?

[Samiam]

 

I would surmise with JK body clips

 

Cheers

Or Mossetti body clips. Or PFM

[MSwiss]

The only people who don't believe in body clips are those who don't know how to modify them for racing.

You've questioned every slot racer on the planet and confirmed there aren't any who know how to modify them but still don't believe in them?

 

If so, let's see some documentation.

[Pablo]

Clips don't give you adaquate body movement.

OK Mike S, I bow down to you on the "clip vs. pins" argument

Pins are universally more popular. I have been using Koford pins on my vintage builds for years.

However, I stand fast in total disagreement with statements like the quote above.

 

As pertains to this new Mossetti chassis, Ralph Thorne used clips and they worked fine for him.

Bottom line, use what works for you but don't disrespect alternative methods.

If pin tubes were the only and best body mount method for racing, the manufacturer would probably include floating pin tube instructions.

[MSwiss]

Pablo,
I don't have any empirical proof whether a car handles better or worse with clips, but I'm pretty sure the clips makes it harder to correct something like in the below pic, when it happens on chassis like the X21 or x25.
 

[Pablo]

That body movement looks "more than adequate" to me

[Bill from NH]

If you want more body movement with clips, punch your clip holes with a 1/16" paper punch. If one is removing the body to straighten the chassis or remove the motor, removing & reinstalling 2 clips is way faster than removing & installing 4 pins. Chicky was one who used cclips on a flexi. In the photo above the tab bent upwards doesn't  appear to be large enough for its intended purpose.

[MSwiss]

It's intended purpose is to keep the bite bar in place.

 

Unfortunately, a body can get hung up on it, just like it can on on the bent up lip, on the outside of a pan, on a chassis like the Cheetah 7.

 

The body clip prevents the body from flexing outward enough to quickly correct the problem.

[Zippity]

But the Mossetti doesn't have those tabs 

[MSwiss]

I don't care if guys use clips or not.

 

I'm just pointing out(again) if they were a technical or handling advantage, I'm sure the guys who take flat track racing real serious, the Europeans, would have them on all their cars.

 

BTW, this thread is about the Mossetti chassis, not body clips.

[CoastalAngler1]

What's a mozetti?  rare as a skunk ape in florida

[swodem]

What's a mozetti?  rare as a skunk ape in florida

Easterners!!

[swodem]

a .020'piece of piano wire like this weighs .20gm

The standard bite bar and pins that comes with it tips in at .60gm

 

Save .40gm and get more for-aft articulation with this design...

 

[Rob Voska]

Been thinking about ways to retain this.  One is a "T" pin that is bent on one end.  Simple, easy, cheap but probably have to replace it every time it's removed & I don't know the diameter of them.  Then I thought of this.  Simple, cheap & removable.  Just hooks over the end but still retains all the movement.  I tried one with a small hook on the one end to make it lighter but it was so short there was no spring but if I wanted to bend in place I could.

 

[Brinkley47]

I ordered one of these chassis. Is it a "must" I fix the bite bar situation? Or has this just been a few isolated incidents?

[MSwiss]

Both my racers that used them had problems, but this was on my tight flat track.

Whether it would be more of an issue of a faster track, with less turns, your guess is as good as mine.

[Ralph Thorne]

Putting a little more kink in the pin helps too.

[PCH Parts Express]

Have you guys seen the new PSC Mossetti Jigs? They look nice. Can you just use a .062 or thinner piano wire with one swedged end and a retainer on the other (or a retainer on both ends)? 

 

At least one car in the field will be running the Mossetti chassis this Saturday (race starts at  2PM) on the 158' King Cobra (here in CA).