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Posted 24 October 2017 - 09:45 PM

Description: 1966 Chevy Nova
Motor - K&B 36D Royal Bob Cat
Chassis - Aluminum
Tires - Fr. 1/4" x 1"  R. .400 x 1"

Gear Ratio - 11 - 31  3:00 to 1

Body - AMT 1/25 Model
Weight - 134g
Class - Stock 36D 

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Nice ... in the vintage sprit aluminum w/ a sweet detailed hard body !! 

 

Bill, gears... 11/33 or 10/30 ?


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 09:48 PM

One day left, so here's my heaps...

 

Starting the party with this "Stock 36-D" machine...Description:
- Motor - spec K&B
- Chassis - part JDS, part scratch slip-joint style
- Tire sizes - JDS Cragar Rear 1.060 x .400, Front combo of JDS Cragar fronts and JDS Pro Star Rears with home brew tire
- Body (or Rail) - O/S '69 Charger
- Car weight -130
- Class you are entering this car in. - Stock 36-D

 

 

 

So nice Foamy ... unbelievable. 

 

Is the gear set 3:1 ... 16/48?


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:25 PM

Oooop's, 11 - 33

 

Fixed it!


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:32 PM

BPR is a quarter mile at 16 volts.
Past Proxy cars were road racers that I got very lucky with.

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:35 PM

Gears on stocker are 16/48.
We were running 36d powered hardbody nascars at BP for a while.
Bought a .091 reamer to do pinions for the others.
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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:41 PM

Boxerdog, it's too late now but a hopup deal from the olden daze for the 196's is a 6 volt arm from a 65. Good bearings too. Was going to do a dragster similar to yours, but lazyness reared its ugly head...

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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:53 PM

Thanks GB, It was a fun build until it came to the clear coat. Trouble all the way. My fault, can't leave well enough alone. 

 

One more Big 36D tomorrow. Finish painting body and driver.... No clear on this one! 


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Posted 24 October 2017 - 10:55 PM

K&B tabs look right.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 09:32 AM

Boxerdog, it's too late now but a hopup deal from the olden daze for the 196's is a 6 volt arm from a 65. Good bearings too. Was going to do a dragster similar to yours, but lazyness reared its ugly head...

I know about laziness, I can see I should have built some new(er) stuff this year. Gator Bob made me dig that stuff out of the closet!!


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 10:03 AM

Don't feel bad David, our cars are pretty much as they finished racing in the 2nd Annual proxy :shok: :laugh2:

Got some plans to renovate and improve designs & weight but that's now hopefully on the blue prints for next year!!
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Posted 25 October 2017 - 05:59 PM

Description: 1968 Corvette FC
Motor - Lenz 36D
Chassis - Aluminum
Tires - Fr. 3/32" x .800"  R. .400 x 1-1/4"

Body - Toy Tech Lexan
Weight - 116.5g
Class - Big 36D

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 06:15 PM

Scratch my Monster, it just ain't right!


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 07:10 PM

Just when you think you've seen Bills best..... Along comes another stunning car :D :heart:

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:21 PM

The "Lunatic Lunar"

 

Motor -- My Built -  ARCO 703-24
Chassis - Bars from Mars
Tires - Fr. 3/32" x .750"  R.  3/32" 400 x 1.01

Body - Gar-Vic Lunar
Weight - 111.8 gr
Class - Big 36D

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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:40 PM

To the Moon Alice! :good: 


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 08:55 PM

Just when you think you've seen Bills best..... Along comes another stunning car :D :heart:

Hey Paul, This one was fun, kept the easiest for last. Only a few mods and a new body. The old Dodge A/FX is going to sit it out, just wasn't up to it this year.


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 09:11 PM

The A/FX Dodge car is nice....

 

Down boy, down.

The Valiant is banging off the walls of his box.... "I want to play too, you know if it wasn't for me none of this would be happening" .


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Posted 25 October 2017 - 09:30 PM

To the Moon Alice! :good:

 

"Bang Zoom" or zoom bang..... LOL


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 01:05 AM

I let him out.

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The "Ghost Valiant'

 

Motor -- Stock Kemtron 8 Volt
Chassis - Kemton kit.
Tires - Fr. & R Six spoke 5-40 Classic (Manta Ray)

Body - Pattos
Weight - 180.5 gr
Class - TBD - fits Stock Eliminator or Rods as a Gasser. (no effect on awards count)

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Posted 26 October 2017 - 08:57 AM

Bob, I liked that car from day one, so don't get me wrong....

 

I really like what the "real" drag racers out here are doing with hardbodies. I am not a drag racer at all, that's why I am sending box cutters to a gunfight this year, but I have seen some of the most creative modeling you could imagine that the locals have done with model kits. You seldom see a lexan body car any more. Some of these cars have "dents" and "rust" to resemble barn finds and rat rods, some have spectacular paint jobs, and there is a good selection of kits out there to start with. Just a thought for the future.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 10:35 AM

Here's a rant. Cost cutting mfers using petg plastic instead of real lexan! Paint scratches really easy, and the bods fall apart or XPLODE on impact.
Fiddling with the cars before I threw them in the mail and the paint was scratching off. The lexan body no problem....
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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:08 PM

Good point Dave. Hardbodies are more in keeping with the vintage spirit. I for one would support using model kits or resin for the Vintage classes. On the other hand, for Exhibition classes anything goes.

 

Oh I've seen your box cutters run...gunfighters beware!


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:20 PM

Molded hard bodies have a level of detail that can't be duplicated in vac pulled. I only saw drag cars in the mags.

Didn't they run bodies like the red Impala?

 

I love models and they trim out great for slots. I never really defined it clearly in my head but after running Cox cars and parts were always lost Vac was in, heavy molded was out.

 

For drags there is no smash'um up derby so they are 'right'. I guess you can wash those in the sink after every race just like pulled bodies.

Being new to hardbodies and wheelie bars, there is a new learning curve .... to go straight :sarcastic_hand:

 

We can do hardbody only classes.


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:25 PM

Here's a rant. Cost cutting mfers using petg plastic instead of real lexan! Paint scratches really easy, and the bods fall apart or XPLODE on impact.
Fiddling with the cars before I threw them in the mail and the paint was scratching off. The lexan body no problem....

 

Figure you know to wash mold release spray off, scuff, wipe with alcohol, mask, wipe again, spray. Helps on Butyrate and PETG

 

The Lexan Pactra/Tamia paint sticks ok, don't know about water colors. .


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Posted 26 October 2017 - 06:28 PM

Bob, I liked that car from day one, so don't get me wrong....

 

I really like what the "real" drag racers out here are doing with hardbodies. I am not a drag racer at all, that's why I am sending box cutters to a gunfight this year, but I have seen some of the most creative modeling you could imagine that the locals have done with model kits. You seldom see a lexan body car any more. Some of these cars have "dents" and "rust" to resemble barn finds and rat rods, some have spectacular paint jobs, and there is a good selection of kits out there to start with. Just a thought for the future.

 

It does seem like modeling skills building badass concours rides is a big part of the Drag scene.  

I guess if you're running dial or index the added weight is a non-issue.


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Posted 27 October 2017 - 12:25 AM

For sure, the 100 mph plus guys aren't running hardbodies but the hardbody gassers sure are popular. No-bars are kinda catching on too. I like building them, but it is time-consuming and I don't drag race so they turn into box queens!

 

Here are a couple that I've since finished:

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:35 AM

Class - Hardbody Stock, no-bars, spec tires and gear, sealed 36D, heavy min weight. LOL

 

Model Motoring. :D

 

Three things are a turn off for me.

 

1- Dragster O ring fronts on full size scale cars. :dash2:

2- Figuring out how to spot the pin locations when the body is never clear. :wacko2:

3- Building a pretty scale model only to go stuff it in glue you can't even sniff.... :crazy:

 

I tried it ... once...

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Posted 28 October 2017 - 10:59 AM

You can get *phatter* more scale looking O rings from protrack. Plus they do foam fronts aswell for 1" diameter.

Looks mean as heck :D

Plus I think I see some bars ? :laugh2:

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 11:53 AM

So...what rule changes for next year? Hardbodies for stock?


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 12:30 PM

That's what I'm thinking ... a Hardbody only, no bars Stock class.

 

Stock padlock or spec 36D ... not sure yet.

 

Don't want to stray any further from our roots with can motors but guys like their Big 36Ds :shok: huba huba :crazy:


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 02:29 PM

Here's a thought. Stock appearing Kemtron/KTM and hardbodies of some defined years/body styles, basically GBobs Valiant, only with a hardbody.

 

Reason? There are way more Kemtrons out there than any other padlocks, near as i can tell. Rather than try to police the arms, let 'em go. The brushes will most likely be the limiting factor. Stock endbells, brushes, magnets, lams, etc. 

 

Just my .02

 

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 04:43 PM

I am up for that my 64 Dodge already meets those specs it will be intresting to see how it competes with Bobs Chevy & the same in 36d class both me & Bill are running hard bodies although mine is a fair amount heavier than Bills & with vintage rubber too I'm looking forward to seeing the outcome in all of these classes.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:00 PM

I consider Kenton/KTM 'imported' padrocks great 'post war' motors,

I like them as a factory wound, unbalanced, no BBs, no neo,  spec class motor.

Cheap, available and the 4 volt motors go good.

 

We could call it "The 503" stock block class.

 

I think we should move the body 'model' year back from 1970 to 196?, a point in time when these were still used but maybe not as competitive ...

 

Don't think it's a good idea to ad a class. Which class should "The 503" replace?


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:49 PM

Stock padlock class looks like the go I believe all cars running in it are 503 powered anyway just a body change maybe make it 60 to 67 body styles or to what ever year Pittmans chevelle is.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 07:55 PM

Isn't this just the stock Eliminator class already ? Stock padlock/open frame, standard bushings etc and kit shells?

**reminds me I've gotta pick up several of those 4volt screamers** :D

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:12 PM

Isn't this just the stock Eliminator class already ? Stock padlock/open frame, standard bushings etc and kit shells?

**reminds me I've gotta pick up several of those 4volt screamers** :D

 

Yes in a way, but this is hardbody only, one motor only.

so it would have to replace or compliment the current Stock Eliminator class.

 

Something would need to be dropped.... Stock 36D or Stock Eliminator.

I don't know.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:25 PM

I get ya, maybe look at the least popular and drop it. Seems more are entered & interested in the 36D based classes?

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Posted 30 October 2017 - 08:52 PM

Would it work to keep it the way it is but just hardbody for stock eliminator with Kemtron/ktm motors any cars running lexan bodies that the owner wants to keep that way can move into rods class the same for if there are any cars running non kemtron padlocks that way it wouldn't seem like losing a class to me anyway it would just be making stock eliminator a little more strict like stock 36d.Or just any un modified padlock in a hardbody as long as the arms don't look custom wound I'm sure it will still be close its just the kemtrons are more common & cheaper than everything else so anyone can build one.or you can even raise the minimum weight to the point a hardbody wouldnt have a disadvantage over a lexan body.
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Posted 30 October 2017 - 09:45 PM

I think if we do too many 36d classes we are missing the whole point. It is a slippery slope to 26d then 16d sort of.

 

The only reason I mentioned the Kemtrons is availability and hardbodies because they look cool. 

 

Of course there are the Mustangs and Broncos....but we could ban them.


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Posted 30 October 2017 - 10:16 PM

Definitely no extra 36d or any other can classes, the stock Bobcat & Big 36D are cool enough :D

The standard X503 is simple and at the moment fairly abundant online even without mentioning that huge stash of 4volt locks!

Luckily the Mustang & Bronco aren't as available and totally not standard 503 so it's easy to say standard 503 "only".

Plus it's easy to spot the RAM spec arms and the cast endplates.

Would the ratios & rear tires be spec like the stock 36D rules are?

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:32 AM

All this should have been in the discussion thread but anyway...

 

I think we are close.

 

1966 or before scale Hardbody,

factory 503 (or KTM=),

no-bars,

3:1,

RR 1"min x.400, 

FR no O rings.


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 08:21 AM

I like it all except the spec gear. 


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 12:39 PM

As per G-Bobs instructions, here are my entries

3 are repeats of past runs , 1 new

All padlock motors

Rails are Pittman 85s

Hard body cars are kemtrons

 

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 05:43 PM

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think if we do too many 36d classes we are missing the whole point. It is a slippery slope to 26d then 16d sort of.

 

 

Agree ! I can feel we are on that path.

 

I'm trying to keep cars slower not faster. Old and Slow. The new fast.

It's not ALL about getting from point A to point B the fastest, but the funnest.  Reliving the Golden Years.... wop,wop,wop,.

We'll see how it goes but it seems the most logical to drop would be the Stock K&B motor class.

 

I better take a trip to "The Kemtron Store" and see if there are any 'dusty goodies' left.  :)  :crazy: 

 

 

Of course there are the Mustangs and Broncos....but we could ban them.

 

 

But still good in any Rod or Rail class just not in the 503 Heavyweights.

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Posted 31 October 2017 - 05:51 PM

Bob, I liked that car from day one, so don't get me wrong....

 

 

 

Considering it is the worst pull vac body I've ever seen

 think it must have been pulled right over a model body or so some such amateurish technique.  

 

Just a blast when it goes 'on the bumper'. Might be the most fun car I've ever had. And...that's a good thing..


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Posted 31 October 2017 - 07:14 PM

Years ago we ran an F/S Class with almost everything being spec. out. Chassis, motor, gears, bushings, tires. Hardbody and min. weight. Competition was tight and the class proved to be a lot of fun. I don't recall the body year spec. but I'm thinking 1960-69 stock American production, and a driver. Actually I believe the model you choose had to be approved.

 

Should be a good class to add to our vintage program with the 503 motor. Never played with one...looking forward to it!


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Posted 01 November 2017 - 10:02 PM

The "Hurst Hairy Olds"

 

Motors -- RAM 426A
Chassis - Dynamic
Tires - Fr.& R.  Classic 6 spoke 5/40 1.125" x.500

Body - Kit
Weight - 294.5
Class - Multi-Motor Exhibition

 

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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:41 AM

 

I

think if we do too many 36d classes we are missing the whole point. It is a slippery slope to 26d then 16d sort of.

 

 

Agree ! I can feel we are on that path.

 

I'm trying to keep cars slower not faster. Old and Slow. The new fast.

It's not ALL about getting from point A to point B the fastest, but the funnest.  Reliving the Golden Years.... wop,wop,wop,.

We'll see how it goes but it seems the most logical to drop would be the Stock K&B motor class.

 

I better take a trip to "The Kemtron Store" and see if there are any 'dusty goodies' left.  :)  :crazy: 

 

 

Of course there are the Mustangs and Broncos....but we could ban them.

 

 

But still good in any Rod or Rail class just not in the 503 Heavyweights.

 

Now if we could only simulate shifting gears ! blown transmissions and dropped diffs !


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 08:42 AM

Which "503's"?  the 12v 8v or 4v ?? :shok:  :laugh2:  :crazy: 


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Posted 02 November 2017 - 09:21 AM

Which "503's"?  the 12v 8v or 4v ?? :shok:  :laugh2:  :crazy: 

I'd say any of them so that "teching" is easier. Who knows the difference between a 6v and an 8v? And I doubt we really want to meter, etc. 


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