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#51 Mark Onofri

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Posted 08 September 2021 - 11:00 AM

It's a good threat isn't it even though it goes off on tangents here and there? I'll ask Dan tonight where he got it from.I'll send you a picture ,it's race tonight. They've got a , what's the East Coast equivalent to irra? Anyways, I have to finish my stock car and Can-Am car for Saturday. Less posting more racing!




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Posted 08 September 2021 - 11:11 AM

Like this? Ciirca 90-93?

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Posted 08 September 2021 - 11:13 AM

Good until the first hit onto the wall....


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Posted 08 September 2021 - 11:19 AM

That's a Trinity 2000, the Spyder was older & is a silver color. .I have both 4" & 4.5" 2000s, new, I never set them up. Is Dan's race a NERRA?

 

 

 

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Posted 08 September 2021 - 10:23 PM

NERRA ! That's it ! The tracks last home was Hudson Valley Raceway. Are we going to cover all stamped chassis ? F-1 & eurotrash ?

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Posted 08 September 2021 - 10:33 PM

Like this one ? It can be made 4"or4.5".

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Posted 09 September 2021 - 06:17 AM

Yes, that one. It comes in several different variations. The one you show must be a 4.5" version. It has the pans cut in the front for 4.5"  & probably also has a pair of chassis extender plates too. Locally, I only saw one guy from Boston race one of these 4.5" chassis. It ran well, but not outstanding. My own versions of this chassis are all 4", Some have the long pans, others  have the short pan. The long (normal) pans worked good on flat tracks & with NASCAR bodies. The short pans worked well on king tracks & with GTP type bodies. I don't think this chassis was available with aluminum pans.

 

I watched both F1 (JRL) & eurosport races, but did not race them. I don't know much about either.

 

Do you know Lou Pirro who had a raceway at several; Schenectady locations, then bought his own building in Rotterdam Jct.. only to be flooded out when the river gates misfunctioned? I found him to be very knowledgeable & when I visited his raceway it was very well stocked from HO to open class wing cars. The location I visited had a Hasse king & a high speed oval. I ran on the king while there.


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Posted 09 September 2021 - 12:29 PM

YES! Lou had a amazing store. He had Mossetti's road course &, JK's huge oval when I was last there . Of all the stupid things the only thing that stopped him from reopening was they wanted him to spend a fortune updating the electrical. Stupid codes.

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Posted 09 September 2021 - 01:40 PM

I was never in Lou's last shop, but he had three great tracks ruined. The third track was a king formerly at Port Jeff before they got the privately-owned Gerding king out of CT. Lou came to a lot of  the races here in Manchester, NH  before the raceway closed in 2010. Lou ran an ISRA series race here in NH because we had an Ogilvie road course. Last I knew that road course was in NV & up for sale. I have no idea where is is today, but it was a new track built in 2005.

 

Do you know Bill Bugenis tooo? He's the retired HS teacher in Brooklyn. who worked for Viper &  bought some of the Viper arm winding equipment (formerly RJR's) when Viper shut down. Bill winds arms & makes comms, but I forget what brand name he uses, I bought some comms & blanks off him years ago, but haven't used them yet. He's a good friend of Lou's & used to attend the NH scale races too.


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Posted 10 September 2021 - 05:59 PM

I have to send this in 2 parts. This is the one that got away. This is from about 2005. Anyone ever seen one of these or, know where to get one?20210910_184843~4.jpg

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Posted 10 September 2021 - 06:01 PM

NERRA practice & im 4 hours off scheduled. More Post Sunday!

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Posted 10 September 2021 - 07:41 PM

I have to send this in 2 parts. This is the one that got away. This is from about 2005. Anyone ever seen one of these or, know where to get one?attachicon.gif 20210910_184843~4.jpg

 

I no nothing about this chassis. All I remember is the man who designed them, died when he fell off the roof of his house. The write-up you posted says the chassis was still going to be available .after his death, but was it? Was it ever imported to the US? If you asked some of the Italians who post on here, they might know what happened with this chassis. Other Europeans may know something too.


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Posted 11 September 2021 - 12:39 AM

Another Trinity. Never races this one. Think it's a early int-15.

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Posted 11 September 2021 - 12:42 AM

Hmmmmm, looks like the one in the bag,doesn't it?

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Posted 11 September 2021 - 12:52 AM

The bag sez it all. 2004 or 5ish? Scary handling. With no weight in the front it did back flips. With weight in front it fishtails uncontrollably.

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Posted 11 September 2021 - 07:52 AM

The chassis in post #65 is Champion's turbo flex with the narrow Indy pans. I never had one of these, but I heard the ran quite well. I think only the  2 Champion Indy bodies fit on it. I heard that neither Parma's Indy or JK's JRL bodies fit. Perhaps you had a center section where the right & left side bushing holes didn't line up. I had one where the height on one sde was .020 higher than the other. Once I fixed it, it handled great, like all of my other turbo flexes did. I forget the year the Champion narrow pans came out, but it was before Carl Ford sold Champion to Parma.

 

That Trinity chassis with the front loop in your post #63 is a old version of that chassis. All of mine have the loop cut off & some have the pans cut off in behind the back body mounts. I think some setup tips for this chassis were published in an old issue of SARN by John Ford (no relation to Carl Ford). It was common practice to bend that front loop up about 1/16".  It still provided some guide protection. The motor show in a Trinity Midnight can. It came with different colored endbells depending upon what arm was in it. Brown might have been S16D, green was 16D in their other cans, but I don't recall what they used the red, black, & purple endbells for. Ron Hershman of Fast 1s in IN could tell you. I bought some of these chassis & their parts from a now-closed Las Vegas raceway. I could built new chassis, but I found them to be miserable to work with. The local hard body club wouldn't let me run them anyway.  :laugh2:


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Posted 11 September 2021 - 02:44 PM

Champion had a Daldra & a ifogot. It's here somewhere.

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Posted 11 September 2021 - 05:13 PM

Yes, Dallara is one of them, The other was G-Force. Both bodies were named after two real Indy  chassis.   


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Posted 12 September 2021 - 12:16 PM

Here's one I never could figure out. What do you do with the post that's supposed to hold the Pan's ?

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 12:27 PM

Obviously this person couldn't figure it out either. No one noticed the 12x motor,got it dirt cheap.

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 12:44 PM

Here's one I never could figure out. What do you do with the post that's supposed to hold the Pan's ?

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 12:59 PM

I actually have one of those Turbo Flex Indy cars. The local track had a NOS one from a track that he bought out. He was selling it cheap, so I bought it and my kids and their friends that came along with us to the track from time to time ran it. I thought it ran fairly well, though that flimsy 1/16" front axle got bent up fairly quickly. I'm thinking about enlarging the hole and putting a 3/32 axle and some JK Indy fronts on it. I would like to find a nicer body for it, though, if anyone has any suggestions. I haven't run it for awhile since both of my sons are racing now, and they haven't been able to tempt any of their friends to come along.

 

Is that RJR Storm any good? I've seen a few come up on Ebay and thought about buying one to tinker with, but none of them went low enough that I was willing to pull the trigger on an unknown. I might be interested in one if anyone has one they'd sell for not too much.


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Posted 12 September 2021 - 02:09 PM

The RJR Storm chassis are really light and flimsy, they bend easier than almost any flexi chassis I've ever seen.  They might be OK if you were going to run it on a full punch King.  But better plan on taking no hits! :shok:


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Posted 12 September 2021 - 03:56 PM

That doesn't sound like a good one to race, then. Probably why it isn't very common.


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Posted 12 September 2021 - 04:09 PM

Mark, to hold the pans on, solder the front cross wire to either the pans or the center section, but not both, On one side is good enough, on both sides is better. That little tab on the centersection that goes through the slot on the pans is not straight up & down. Its actually curved to the front. That tab is not strong but easily breaks off if you try to re-bend it. My opinion of the Storm isn't very high. I bought one years ago but save your time as  well as your money & buy another chassis. Some Storms had rear bushing holes with one side !/8" higher than the other side. You would have had to be blind not to see that defect, yet some of these defective chassis made it to the distributers & out to raceways. I saw them locally in Manchester.


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