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#151 rvec

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 07:55 PM

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Alright, found these gems and need to decide which to use. The mercedes will fit without a problem but I may IMSA the porsche 944. Let me know what you all think.


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It looks like both car will have wheel opening issues. You would be better off with an Enzo - Cheap only $12 and snaptite versions has few parts. The Enzo is both wide and relatively long

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 08:42 PM

Chris,
Another thought on the pans. If the cars were mounted with body buttons (I recommend this for better performance so that the bodies float), make sure that the float was not inhibited by mounting the pans. Keep us informed. Thanks

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 08:45 PM

Added a wing and decals to my Enzo to make it appear more as a race car.

Wing doesn't degrade performance-heavy chassis.

 

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 11:48 PM

Rich,

I know the enzo is a cheaper and easier choice, but the porsche is not meant for our regular sunday races. I am considering it as a mod for the challenge series being run. As to the K5, that is the chevy blazer you can see in some of the pictures. The body is an old snaptite from the 80's and is super light, just as the camaro is super light. I also have both bodies mounted using a pin/button system using 1/8" rivets instead of the buttons which allows for some movement. I have made a change to my system to lighten the mass above the axles. I had been using brass plate bent and punched for the rivets slide into but decided to replace my brass wings with styrene wings to try and make the system lighter. I will test this setup in the near future and report back.

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 01:05 AM

Chris,
It is always tricky to get better performance with new mods. I am sure you will get there. BTW - cannot see from the picture but are you using spacers on the pan so that the pan sits flush with the bottom of the center section on brass? Look closely at the image below. In this case I just used some nuts between the ear on the chassis and the side pan

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 08:48 AM

I started gluing my 57 chevy belair together last night =D gonna do some crazy stuff with that chassis to make it work Its in the R&D department at the moment. the magic will come later


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Posted 31 December 2015 - 08:59 AM

I started gluing my 57 chevy belair together last night =D gonna do some crazy stuff with that chassis to make it work Its in the R&D department at the moment. the magic will come later


Here is my 57 Mounted on old brass ProTrack chassis (pretty much the same as the H and R except no variable wheelbase), power is old Falcon 2. I sanded off all of the Chrome molding so it looks more like a dirt racer

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Posted 31 December 2015 - 09:27 AM

we cant cut out the wheel wells so it is going to take some doing but i think it will be a low 7 sec car


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Posted 31 December 2015 - 04:17 PM

Rich,

I have some spacers as well, but I am limited to the screws I have on hand.  I was not able to counter sink the screw heads and I only used 0.032 thick brass instead of the thicker stuff you used.  Anyway, every race is an experiment to out think and design the competition.

 

I think the key to success will be to find a way to get harder compound tires to use to let the rear of the car slide more and not compress as much in the corners.  Let the chassis do the work instead of the rubber is the theory.  


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Posted 31 December 2015 - 05:01 PM

Rich,
I have some spacers as well, but I am limited to the screws I have on hand.  I was not able to counter sink the screw heads and I only used 0.032 thick brass instead of the thicker stuff you used.  Anyway, every race is an experiment to out think and design the competition.
 
I think the key to success will be to find a way to get harder compound tires to use to let the rear of the car slide more and not compress as much in the corners.  Let the chassis do the work instead of the rubber is the theory.


As I mentioned in a previous post, we use .062 brass but our tracks are very tight with short straights. The.032 brass may be just fine for longer tracks with sweeping turns. As a physics teacher (I am a Mechanical Engineer) we know that a low CG coupled with a wide stance are keys to fast laps. Countersinking the brass and lowering it to be flush with the bottom of the chassis will improve the CG. I purchased a countersink bit from Lowes and their hardware department should have some small bolts/nuts that will work.

I would then test with no lead and see how the car handles. Adding lead near the front of the pans or in the center section in the front will help loosen the car as well. If you don't have enough weight use stick on lead to cover the entire side pan - this will mimic .062 brass.

One more thing. The shape of the pans can determine how much weight is towards the front (again to loosen the car). We make our pans as shown in the image below to get more weight toward the front

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Posted 02 January 2016 - 07:54 AM

Rich Side note. try a guide that is angle cut like the red fox. puts more blade in the track and when the car breaks loose in my mind there is a little more holding power with a angle cut then the regular flags. atleast on flexi cars it works amazingly

 

chris and max for sure can attest to the fact that my cars will get COMPLETELY sideways and recover almost every time.


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Posted 02 January 2016 - 07:56 AM

Rich Side note. try a guide that is angle cut like the red fox. puts more blade in the track and when the car breaks loose in my mind there is a little more holding power with a angle cut then the regular flags. atleast on flexi cars it works amazingly
 
chris and max for sure can attest to the fact that my cars will get COMPLETELY sideways and recover almost every time.


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Posted 04 January 2016 - 11:04 AM

Hardbody racing was an excellent finish to bringing in the new year with a nice long weekend full of family, friends and celebration.  Best wishes to all for a healthy, happy and prosperous new year.

Here is this weeks results.......

 

1  Max Mohring                 Lotus 30

2  Kurt Mansfield               "The purple nerple"

3  Will Davis                      Olds 88

4  Glen Orban                   Flamed hotrod coupe

5  Carl Paterson                Ford Fairlane

6  Tom S.                          Porsche 911

7  Charlie Schlottfeld        "The import Pinto"  Skyline?

8  Allan S.                         Ford Mustang

 

P.S. Come back Joe! Holidays are over, time to get back to business!!!

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 11:35 AM

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all ready to go!

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Posted 04 January 2016 - 11:41 AM

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Deconstructed the Porsche for a more "fun"?!?!? Car! I'm losing my marbles!

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Posted 05 January 2016 - 11:15 PM

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So the bumper is close...
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Posted 07 January 2016 - 07:14 PM

i used to build Hardbody cars many years ago when ProTrack made a brass Hardbody rtr chassis. They were great: rtr with rear ball bearings for only $29.99. They have a lower cg than the current H&R Racing chassis, which are a bit of a copy of the older ProTrack. My first project was with a '57 Chevy body, actually a re-issue promo body, with a full interior. I set it up with a proper street car stance. It ran well, but not good for racing purposes (too high cg, body ride height, and heavy fully detailed plastic interior). I'll find it and bring it to The Race Place for parade laps.

 

   Joey- are you painting your '57 as a street car or as a Vintage Nascar?  (i vote for Vintage Nascar!)  :) 


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 12:35 PM

Im doing a very clean Paint scheme.  I have a white with a Pearl Blue in it and the bottom half a candy blue half mark being where the "chrome" line would be. and of course im going to do my best hand painting of all the chrome accents... This because i dont want to cut the wheel wells out as per our rules =D so far i had it on the track 1 time it ran some sweet 8second laps BAHAHAHHAHA i have stuffs on its way to me to hopefully make that number plumet and if not hell it will look sweettttt


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Posted 08 January 2016 - 03:03 PM

That's what it's all about, sweeeeeeet. ;-)

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 12:13 PM

Joe's 57 Chevy is sweet!  He was in such a rush to get it on the track there was not enough time to glue on any of the chrome, LOL.  Dave Demott's new Monte Carlo handled very well. And Andy has become the proud new owner of one very fast Lotus 30.  As fast and well handling as we have these cars its the cool factor that keeps attracting new racers.  The Race Place sold five Hardbody chassis setups yesterday to new and returning racers !!!  Big things for 2016 !

Here are this weeks results...

 

1  Max Mohring                  Yellow Porsche 962

2  Andy Sr                          Lotus 30

3  Dave Demott                  Monte Carlo

4  Kurt Mansfield                Purple Skyline

5  Chuck Malave                Orange Porsche 962

6  Will Davis                       Olds 88

7  Carl Paterson                 Ford Fairlane

8  Joe Emm                        57 Chevy

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Posted 11 January 2016 - 03:47 PM

The 57 is a handfull! HOWEVER drive it for what it is and it gives a decent result! not bad for a totally rushed car. well not tottaly but yeah mostly. Will be doing much more R&D on it


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Posted 16 January 2016 - 04:51 PM

Joe thanks for the prop's on the 67 chevelle build i would come down some sunday but it is set up for the speedzone rules . We race both rules at the club on saturday afternoons would like some  of you guys to run with us. had another 67 chevelle kit i will set it up for your rules even if i hate the lighting.

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 11:22 PM

Gotta run it with a hardbody, totally different experience. Twice the fun.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 09:32 AM

Mic that's a sweet looking ride.  It would be great to have you join us one Sunday.  Another Saturday at the club track sounds like fun.


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Posted 18 January 2016 - 11:04 AM

Another funday-Sunday of Hardbody's at The Race Place.  A warm welcome to K.P. and Tyler with their new builds.  Here is this weeks results...

 

1  Andy Sr                 Lola 30

2  Max Mohring         Olds 88

3  Kurt Mansfield       Purple Skyline

4  Chuck Malave       Porsche 962

5  Tyler D                  Knightrider T/A

6  Carl Paterson       Ford Fairlane

7  K.P.                      The General Lee

 

 

 

 

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