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#26 Dave of '60s Lancer

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Posted 27 September 2018 - 01:53 PM

Post #5

 

 

I forgot Bill from NH :wacko2:. Sorry Bill.

 

Bill you asked about the chassis's we sold and if they were farmed out.

They were not farmed out . We had a couple of guys we hired for their slot car knowledge and their building skills so we could have control over the quality.

If I'm remembering properly there was a "Flipper" style chassis for the wide body cars, but I believe these were available after we started producing OUTLAW" style

bodies for the open class racers. I believe this was much later in Lancers history. I wasn't involved in any of this as the company had grown to a pretty good size

and I didn't always have the time to keep up with the different department as the company grew. 

 

At lancers peak I believe they had a line of tires, stock motors and rewound high end motors too, As I said above, some of this I wasn't involved in.


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Posted 27 September 2018 - 06:38 PM

Thanks Dave, I hadn't thought that you had forgotten.


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Posted 27 September 2018 - 08:13 PM

Dave,

 

This spirit of Lancer's legacy is alive and well, here and now!

 

Thank you please continue!

 

 

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Posted 28 September 2018 - 12:49 PM

Post #6.......Back stories.

 

There was always some fun going on.

After the company moved from it's original location to a new much larger building across the street,

Lloyd and I moved into a work room together until the rest of the building was finished and each of us received our own private work space.

 

Every work area needs a small waste basket, and we had one too, but weren't able to use it for long because a trap-door spider

moved in and made his home there and kept us company.

 

John did a little research  and found out they liked live wiggling food on their webs, especially flies - so the hunt was on to chase down flies

using a paper drinking cup and a piece of paper to slide under the cup when a fly was caught in the cup against the wall, the paper was slid between the cup and the wall to keep the fly trapped.

 

Once a fly was caught,  all us guys gathered around in our small work area and the fly was thrown into the web, and instantly the rather large spider would immediately appear, grab the fly and disappear.

There would be a lot of cheering and laughing, then it was back to work. The company owner John Brunson office wasn't far from ours and he was by far the best at catching flies

 

I always had a hard time invisioning the owner of a company catching flies to feed a spider, but that was Lancer Company at it's best for me.

 

A few more back stories to come along with more "REAL" history :good:


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Posted 28 September 2018 - 01:07 PM

I'm surprised that Lancer didn't have a wild Thingie body called the "Fly" or for that matter the "Spider"!

 

Great story though...!

 

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#31 Dave of '60s Lancer

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 09:31 AM

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                                                                                                                          Lancer at it's peak and beyond !!!

 

At Lancers peak as well as the hobby's, Lancer Co. had 7 forming machine's with 2 people at each of 6 machine' and the 7th machine was a dedicated machine for the mold makers finalizing the designs of not only the molds but the bases they sat on making sure that all would work well during production.

 

At the height of production there were 4 mold makers.

 

We not only produced the 1/24 bodies but the hobby progressed into 1/32 bodies and then H.O. scale bodies also, all made out of the butyrate plastic that we all know yellowed over time. Eventually as the hobby progressed and grew even larger, the open class of racing came to be and outlaw bodies made of a extremely tough plastic called Lexan came into existence, mostly used I believe by the well known "Professional" racers, many who are still remembered.

Butyrate plastic was a very pliable and resilient plastic and easily formed, but Lexan was a very tough plastic and difficult plastic to form and presented a lot of challenges.. Luckily the outlaw bodies were light weight bodies and only half the thickness of the standard body's and being thinner material made forming problems much easier to overcome

 

At lancers peak there were 4 mold makers;

Lloyd Asbury

Myself

Lonnie Downer

Walter wood (Woody)

 

The secretary was Eloise Hamilton

 

Our machinist Milt Gibbs'

 

Mike Jewitt who was in charge of painting the bodies and also producing the displays.

 

And some of the production workers and friends were;

Joe Bernaert

Ronnie Brown

Ken Baumgarth

 

As the hobby grew even larger and the demand for bodies increased, John had to add a 2nd shift of production workers. The hobby grew extremely fast, and our parking area shrank very fast :shok: - LOL.

 

The hobby was really healthy for about 5 years, but slowly the hobby began to slow down and interest seemed to be going away, and the eventual started to begin at Lancer..

People had to start being laid off as demand for products slowed down. At one time semi truck loads of product would leave several times a week, but now the trucks were much smaller and left less frequent.

 

As production slowed and more, and more people left, the inevitable began to happen. Mold makers were being laid off signaling a big change coming for the entire company!

 

John called me into his office and explained what was happening and his plans for the future of Lancer Co. He asked me if I would stay and help him start a new direction for the company and that Lloyd would be leaving the company. I was paid a lot less than Lloyd so I figure that's why he kept me. I never could come up with another reason as we were all good at our jobs.

 

In the end only 3 people survived the massive layoff; John the owner. the secretary Eloise and myself. Nothing but a skeleton crew.

 

John's plan that he shared with me was to reinvent Lancer Co. He had done his research and found that the craft industry was on the move growing quite fast and he had decided to get in on the ground floor.

He purchased a large warehouse building in an industrial park a few miles away. He moved all the forming machines and bought one high speed fully automated forming machine for high speed production, and went to all female production workers where before they were mostly male..

 

 

I spent the next 8 years creating craft molds for all kinds of new products coming on to the market.

 

After 13 years at Lancer Co. and the school system in California developing huge problems, my wife and I decided it was time to take her home to Oregon along with the family. We sold our home. I flew my family to Oregon. I gave my notice, packed up everything we owned with the help of a friend, and my family and I began a new life.

The schools were great. I got a great new job and we bought a new home.

 

Life had started over and life has been good and my career was wonderful. I was paid to play for nearly 40 years. I have been retired over 15 years and I couldn't imagine it would be this good.

 

I really appreciate your interest in the history of Lancer Co. and how well you welcomed me and allowing me to come on the forum and share my fond memories

It was a special time in my life in a wonderful time in the 60's and 70's. No bad memories at all - it was just the best. I couldn't have asked for more.

 

Any further question are more than welcome. I'm sure there are things I left out.

 

All the best to everyone here continuing to enjoy the hobby - Dave Susan


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 09:35 AM

Thanks for sharing Dave.
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Posted 29 September 2018 - 11:58 AM

Dave,

 

Thank you for the dissertation of Lancer's history. We are ALL thankful for your history lesson. I am certain many more specific questions are coming that will keep this thread going. I hope that you are still up for it.

 

An old saying that I also applied to my own life and eventual career...

 

"Do what you love and you will never work a day in your life"...I forget who exactly said that at this moment, but so true!

 

 

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Posted 29 September 2018 - 04:12 PM

Dave, thanks for showing up. You showed us you have a lot to offer. I enjoyed the history lesson. All my slot car racing has been done here in the Northeast, yet was impacted by Lancer at one time or another, as have so many others.  :)


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 05:14 PM

Dave, as one of four mold makers, were molds made by other people than Lloyd?   His name is the one we usually associate with creating the great molds that were used.


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 06:35 PM

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Mattb - Excellent question

 

Indeed there were 4 mold makers listed in my last post by name, at the height of Lancers popularity.

 

Each mold that we created started and ended with the same mold maker - No one else was involved at any stage

unless help  or advise was asked for. All of us were trained by Lloyd beginning with me as the first trainee.

Lloyd was not only a gifted talented artist, but a natural, patient, positive, and fun teacher.

He made the days go by quickly and was always a positive influence on the company and was always easily approachable.

 

Because of Lloyds teaching and high standards, you couldn't tell which of us created the beautiful finished production molds

after they were inspected by Lloyd himself.

 

All 4 of us worked separately, in our own work offices that were built specifically for us, to be able to focus on our work independently from the others, and not

be distracted, but we were still a team, and were always learning from each other. Lloyd told us he even learned from us which was very encouraging.

Nice to speak of someone so fondly.


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Posted 29 September 2018 - 08:44 PM

Twenty-five years ago, I too worked with a Lloyd Asbury. This was at a telephone company's engineering office, so it was a different man than Dave's friend.


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 09:43 AM

Great stuff, Dave! Hopefully Philippe will include your fascinating insights in his upcoming book.

 

 

In case you didn't know, Mid America Raceway recently ended up with the Lancer molds and are pulling bodies from them. Anyone know the story behind that? 


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 02:35 PM

Molds are some bought from REHCO  THE END.


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 03:41 PM

 

In case you didn't know, Mid America Raceway recently ended up with the Lancer molds and are pulling bodies from them. Anyone know the story behind that? 

 

Mid-America calls them "Genuine"! ???

 

Unbelievable......

 

 

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 05:15 PM

OK, that unexpectedly hit a nerve. Let's not derail Dave's excellent thread!


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 05:28 PM

The price increases are "genuine" too. A few Dubro molds were included with the Lancers.


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 06:43 PM

Last Post !!!

 

If this is what I came back for, all this arguing,  then I'm done here.

 

 

It seems I made a mistake coming here.


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 08:13 PM

Dave,

 

Thank you for a look back at one of the manufacturers from my youth. Your posts were a refreshing insight after so much speculation.

 

I would enjoy reading any further posts you care to add.


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Posted 30 September 2018 - 08:49 PM

Dave, thanks for sharing the growth and demise of the Lancer body business.   It was very interesting to hear.   We don't have many of the people actually involved in the 60's scene to tell what they were a part of firsthand.   Obviously you were/are a talented model maker.   

 

We are all glad to hear more memories as they may come to you.


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 12:14 AM

My intention was not to cause any conflict, I was just pointing out that, at least some of the original molds are still in existence, who currently has them, and ask how he ended up with them. I thought maybe Dave would know. My apologies, Dave!

 

Please continue! I've really enjoyed this thread 


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 09:07 AM

REH does have some original molds.   Dallas may have had some, not sure what he actually had.   Most/all of his went to Mcleoud Industries (Scott) who has produced bodies from time to time.    Maybe other Lancer/Pactra/Dubro/Shark  molds are in private hands that we are not aware of.   

 

I think Philippe may have shown some pictures of molds that LASCM may have, I have a foggy memory of that.   Good to have guys like Gene and Victor who are able to preserve  quality molds  of those old bodies and keep them available.


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 11:02 AM

Hi Dave,

 

Sorry for the thread drift that has turned you off. I loved Lancer bodies back in the 60's and still love and use them today.  I thought I'd share some actual use of your creations today......

 

I've posted some links below to my vintage slot car builds using original Lancer bodies. I hope you will enjoy seeing you and your colleagues craftsmanship being put to use:

 

LANCER LOTUS 23 PORSCHE

 

LANCER HONKER II

please post #40 & #48

 

LANCER LOTUS TYPE 49B F1

please see post #3

 

LANCER KING COBRA

 

LANCER LOTUS 30'S A PAIR

 

LANCER FERRARI 6.3

 

PORSCHE G.T.

please see post #21

 

I love your creations and collect them whenever I can.........thank you Dave!

 

1-bodies- 005.JPG

 

1-bodies- 006.JPG


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Posted 01 October 2018 - 01:21 PM

It is my understanding that all of the Lancer molds were and are owned by REH.



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Posted 01 October 2018 - 11:28 PM

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Thanks for the apologies guys :good: - I just don't do drama well at all.

 

Jairus called me this afternoon (He lives about 45 minutes away) and helped me understand a little more what kind of things to share and encouraged

me to continue on. I wasn't sure  - Thanks Jairus. :sun_bespectacled:

 

Jairus asked me what molds I had made and how many I made.

 

Remembering what all I made - it's been over 50 years, but the one I'll never forget is the Gurney/Westlake eagle mold

with all 12 twisting exhaust pipes, and me getting to make a tie clip of one of the valve covers I carved by hand.

Then I not only got to meet Dan Gurney, but I got to present the tie clip to him - memories are amazing to enjoy and share.

My best day there in 13 years.

 

How many molds did I produce - probably about 1/3 of them as at the peak we hired 2 other mold makers to help us out.

They worked there for around a year and a half before the slow down began.


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